CFI Military Competency

[Razor_B]

Huggy, you crack me up. Thanks for the update. Cheers.

Off on a 3 day to Dublin tomorrow. Guinness, yum.

 

[Andy Neill]

For example: since the military flying physical will count in lieu of a Class II medical (maybe it's Class I, but I can't remember), what will those pilots carry to prove they have the military physical?

When I got military flight physicals, I would ask the flight surgeon for and receive an FAA CLass II at the same time. What's wrong with that?

 

[nosehair]

When I got military flight physicals, I would ask the flight surgeon for and receive an FAA CLass II at the same time. What's wrong with that?

That military flight surgeon was also a designated FAA AME. He was also authorized to sign FAA physicals. Not all military flight surgeons are. It is an individual additional authority/responsibility that is taken on by the individual person.

 

[Andy Neill]

That military flight surgeon was also a designated FAA AME. He was also authorized to sign FAA physicals. Not all military flight surgeons are. It is an individual additional authority/responsibility that is taken on by the individual person.

Granted, but they were readily available in my day. Are they not now?

 

[nosehair]

I suppose a lot of folks think that military pilots are just going to quit their day jobs, run down to the local FBO, and sign up to be 172 instructors, en masse, and they will all think they are "ready to go" in the piston single world with their CFI in hand.

No, not 'en masse', but some will.

There will be the few innocent naive types who think that flying a jet or big complex airplane means that flying a 172 is 'simple and easy', and won't require any traininmg, and the "checkout" is routine and needed only for insurance and paper purposes.

I know, because I used to be a young flight instructor near an Air Force Base, and young jet fighter pilots would come out to rent out 172.

Some would balk at even having to demonstrate a trip around the pattern, but almost all had to have several hours of stalls, slow flight, civilian non-tower traffic patterns, etc., to become proficient enough to solo.

Some...could not do it at all. Well, they gave up after 5 or so hours and couls not take-off or keep the airplane straight.

They don't use the rudder in a jet. Not like us prop guys do. It's a completely different animal...in the primary stage.

....HOWEVER...as we all know, the regulations are VERY MINIMAL, and just because it is legal does not mean it is safe.

The up side is that most military instructors are VERY GOOD at instructing. They are not time builders like us. They are actually experienced pilots who become instructors, and I think the GA instructor force, overall, will be enhanced with the experience.

It was with the military that I got most of my 'atypical' experience, such as:

Spin proficient before solo. Spins were on the pre-solo checkride.

Simulated SE forced landings by pulling the mixture or fuel valve off.

Real dirt-road forced or short-field landings.

Instrument checkrides that require no more than 1/4 needle deflection on partial panel.

Multi-engine engine cuts at:
1) just immediately prior to reaching Vmc
2) just after lift-off with landing runway remaining
3) just after lift off just after no available ruway remaining, but less than 50 feet.
One of these would be on the primary checkride.

Multi-Engine instrument approaches on one engine partial panel fixed card ADF....yes, that's right.

'Course, that was a lifetime ago...don't know what it is now.

 

[Andy Neill]

...and uphill both ways in a snow storm!

 

[nosehair]

...and uphill both ways in a snow storm!

Oh, you were there too?:beer:

 

[nosehair]

Granted, but they were readily available in my day. Are they not now?

I don't really know, but I suspect it is a different world now. What with everybody being so 'sensitive', and 'liability' cautious.

Back in our day, an instructor or doctor didn't have to worry about being sued because his advice or treatment didn't work out. I suspect today's doctor doesn't want to sign anything he does not have to.

 

[AC560]

All I want is a high altitude endorsement from Huggyu2

 

[Huggyu2]

All I want is a high altitude endorsement from Huggyu2

The beauty of this is that you'll also get your jet-powererd taildragger endorsement too! :beer:

Andy N,
Yes, there's a shortage of flight docs qualified to give the FAA Class II. They have to get time off to attend training in Ok City.

Razor,
Good to hear from you Bro!!!! Guinness,... yum!