Cessna 206 vs Cessna 207

[Say Again Over]

it would do anything the 206 would

Except climb out of the Grand Canyon airport, although I love the T206 (truck), the T210 was one hell of an airplane, have had that airplane at very high altitudes with supplental O's, stable and had a descent a/p.

 

[Lead Sled]

Except climb out of the Grand Canyon airport, although I love the T206 (truck), the T210 was one hell of an airplane, have had that airplane at very high altitudes with supplental O's, stable and had a descent a/p.

I stand by my statement that a 207 would do anything that a 206 would - including climb out of the Grand Canyon airport. My first flying job was flying 207s out of LAS and VGT to the canyon and back. I did it for 3 years and I've got several hundred (close to 1000 hrs each) in both the 207 (normally aspirated) and 206 (turbo and non-turbo) flying out of the GCN airport and never had any problems and we seldom flew Asians. (Mostly lard arse Americans and Germans ) About the only concession we made was we carried one-way fuel. I preferred the 207 as a canyon airplane because back then, we got paid by the seat and the 207 had an extra seat so I made extra $$$. Loaded to the same weights, I really couldn't tell too much difference between them. The 206 is a great utility airplane. The 207 was a niche airplane and if you needed the extra seat it was tough to beat.

LS

 

[Say Again Over]

Flew for Air Vegas (Green weenie T207) and Omni Airlines, CE-206.

 

[Lead Sled]

Flew for Air Vegas (Green weenie T207) and Omni Airlines, CE-206.

You and I may have been in Las Vegas at the same time - was was there from 1977 through 1979. I got my start flying the Grand Canyon in a C207 (N1551U) that I leased from Chuck Horne and Larry Seglecow (spelling?) I flew overflow for Omni, Air Vegas, and Scenic. Later on, I took a position with Omni Airlines (Kay and Ray Snider) and later on with Air Vegas (Sid Petty and "Bogie") While at Omni I flew their C206 (N3910G) - which if I remember correctly was leased from Air Vegas; their ratty Mooney M20C (6511U); and all three of their C411s. The only Omni airplane that I didn't fly was their Twin Commanche.

When I worked for Air Vegas I also flew the Green Weenie (N91038/Air Vegas 16 if I remember correctly); the C336 fixed gear Skymaster (N3854U); and their 206 (N3927G). It's been 30 years, but I didn't think that their 208 was turbocharged and not listed as a T208 on my logbook.

When were you down there?

LS

 

[SSDD]

Flew for Hughes Aviation in Las Vegas in the late 70's. They were a full Cessna dealership, and Cessna did market a Turbo 207 with an extra seat in the back and called it the C208. Hard to keep it in CG unless you had real heavies up front and children in the last two seats.

Also did the Canyon thing in the late 70's and early 80's...


51U
72H
80H

Can't remember the full N numbers and that was too many logbooks ago to dig up.

 

[Say Again Over]

Was 51U a red 207?

 

[Say Again Over]

SSDD, you didn't fly the metro for Sid did you?

 

[SSDD]

Yeah, 51U was a red 207. No, I never worked for Sid. I was already gone by the time he got the Metros. When I was there all he had was Chieftains.

 

[mcjohn]

Doh...urrrmm...:nuts:.....OVER.

 

[Say Again Over]

When I worked for Air Vegas I also flew the Green Weenie (N91038/Air Vegas 16 if I remember correctly); the C336 fixed gear Skymaster (N3854U); and their 206 (N3927G). It's been 30 years, but I didn't think that their 208 was turbocharged and not listed as a T208 on my logbook

I'm not positive but I think I had an engine failure in 27G, wasn't that Jerry Garrison's airplane? Is this Paul?

 

[Say Again Over]

Sorry for the thread hijack. :nuts:

 

[Lead Sled]

Was 51U a red 207?

Yes it was red and it had a totally useless Narco aircraft stereo mounted above the second row of seats in the passenger cabin. I put a lot of time in that airplane betwen Las Vegas and the canyon by day and Las Vegas and El Central at night.

I think I pre-dated both you and SSDD by a little bit - I was pre-Metro and pre-Chieftan. Sid had a Beech 18D with the Volpar conversion, a couple of 206s (one he leased to Omni), a C336 (Fixed gear Skymaster), and the Green Weenie. There was also another extremely nice Beech 18 (tail-dragger) on his certificate owned by Dick McEntire I think. Sid was a good guy.

Omni was a joke - Kay literally blackmailed me into going to work for them. I found out later that they had lied to the insurance company about my experience levels when they added me to their policy to fly their 411s. I was flying uninsured in those things for the first 6 months. The pilots, 4 or 5 of us, walked off and quit one afternoon after they redispatched a C411 with another pilot that had aborted a trip due to an engine problem. After the 1st trip aborted and returned, they sent that pilot home for the day and called in another pilot who had the day off and loaded up the airplane with another plane full of passengers and sent him off. This time the engine quit on him and he had to return to LAS with it feathered. After we all quit, we went directly from their office to the GADO office to explain it to them. That was the last ime I ever flew junk or for jerks.

Do either of you know what ever happened to Clive Bollenger, Sid Petty, Bogie, and the Sniders?

LS

 

[Lead Sled]

I'm not positive but I think I had an engine failure in 27G, wasn't that Jerry Garrison's airplane? Is this Paul?

No I'm not Paul, but you're really bringing back the memories. I haven't thought about this in 30 years, but I think you're right about 27G being Jerry Garrison's airplane. Send me a PM, I'm trying to figure out who both of you are. I'm sure we all ate lunch together at the El Tovar.

LS

 

[A Squared]

and Cessna did market a Turbo 207 with an extra seat in the back and called it the C208.

I think your memory is betraying you. The 8 seat sled was called the "staionair 8", not the 208. It was just a 207 with one more seat. It's all in the Type Certificate Data Sheets (TCDS)

The 207A and T207A were both approved for the installation of 8 seats (vs 7) after 9/11/1979. Airframes # 20700563 and later were manufactured with 8 seats.

Aircraft from S/N 20800001 were Caravans, PT-6s and the whole nine yards.

 

[SSDD]

Lead Slead,

I thought he was talking about Sid the Pakistani who operated NEA. I remember the Beach 18's. I think at one point Air Vegas had three out of the four variants, the only one he was missing was the turbine powered one.

A Squared,

The official designation may not have changed, but Cessna did market the airplane as the 208. We had one on the property, and I did quite a few demo flights to potential buyers.

We're talking here about 30 years ago so my memory is not the only thing that has betrayed me. Anything is possible.

 

[Say Again Over]

Beech 18 (tail-dragger) on his certificate owned by Dick McEntire I think. Sid was a good guy.

Think it was Neil and Richard (Dick) Bogenrief or similar. I was originally at Grand Canyon Caverns until Earl Leaseburg helped me get the job on Sid Petty's 207.

Hey, you remember Harry Accor and Air Nevada, there's a story.

 

[Frozen Ronin]

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