Centerline Thrust and getting hired

[vclean]

Log what you like. It's an employers market, they can afford to be selective. SIC time in a small twin may be legal, but those few hours may stand out when your logbook is reviewed at an interview.

There has been several threads regarding logging simulator time. Since it's not ME, total or flight time, I and many others don't log it.

Point is don't log sim time improperly, log questionable SIC time or anything that would cause someone to look twice at an entry.

Log anything you want (Riddle's CAPT program is allowing observers to log time), just think about who might be on the other side of the table during an interview.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Getting your multi-engine rating in a centerline thrust twin is what triggers the centerline thrust limitation.

 

[j41driver]

... log questionable SIC time or anything that would cause someone to look twice at an entry...

IF THE FAA APPROVED OPS SPEC FOR THE COMPANY MANDATE THAT THERE ARE TO BE 2 PILOTS ON THE AIRPLANE THEN IT IS NOT QUESTIONABLE TIME!

I guess the only hangup with this is that the SIC would have to have a checkride (from the FAA or approved company DE) approving him for PT 135 SIC duties before logging such time.

 

[citabriapilot]

---Good luck picking up chicks as you step out the door of your 337 wearing 3 stripes.---

The operation isn't a charter/on demad operation, it is a Environmental whale survey that takes place for 4 months every year. The passengers are actually observers from the company that contracted the flights. So...no stripes, just shorts and a t-shirt.

The operation used to be operated Part 91 with a single pilot, but an accident over the Atlantic two years ago caused them to go 135 and write an Op Spec to require two pilots. Both pilots have a 135 checkride, so it is legal to log SIC time and PIC anytime I hold the yoke.

I'm not asking if its legal, just want to know if 1400 hours TT and 550 hours multi (with about 500 in skymasters, 250 of it as PIC) will get me a regional job over a 1000TT/100multi applicant, assuming equal knowledge and sim ride....

 

[ultrarunner]

Shame time is when the aircraft certificate doesn't require a SIC. We all know it. You can justify it all you want but the fact is that here you are trying to justify it. Good luck picking up chicks as you step out the door of your 337 wearing 3 stripes.

Good grief. Some people never listen.....

A properly qualified pilot may log SIC time when an SIC is required by REGULATION or OPERATING RULE.

Plain and simple: PIC doesn't have 'single pilot/autopilot' authorization, you need an SIC. Makes no difference in this example that the airplane is type certificated for one pilot. The OPERATING RULE applies.

 

[JetScreamDriver]

Sure it could get you job. Multi time is multi time. Obviosly everyone has a little different opinion about all the semantics of the issue, as could each person doing the interviews. It's not always about the numbers, but sometimes about the quality of experience. Of which the most valuable is good instrument experience.

I would just have adequate documentation of the SIC training. After that, no worries.

 

[WhiteCloud]

As long as you don't have a centerline thrust limitaion on your pilot certificate I doubt anyone will care. It's all ME piston twin time. Very few turbine operators care what your piston twin time is in as long as you can answer questions about the ME airplane you're currently flying the most. After you get some tubine time under your belt you'll view the piston twin time the same way you view your SE time. No one really cares what it's in. Good luck.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I dont care what is "legal" to log - Put whatever you want in your logbook!!

But if Im interviewing you and you have "skymaster SIC" time logged --- I wont hire you. Resume in trash and a few chuckles after you leave the room....NEXT CANDIDATE PLEASE.

How many other out there feel the same??

If I was you I wouldnt want to find out.

Is that worth the 70hrs of cheesy semi-multi time?


Jobs are hard enoughto get these days, dont mame yourself with this bull$hit time.

GOOD LUCK!!!

 

[WhiteCloud]

I dont care what is "legal" to log - Put whatever you want in your logbook!!

But if Im interviewing you and you have "skymaster SIC" time logged --- I wont hire you. Resume in trash and a few chuckles after you leave the room....NEXT CANDIDATE PLEASE.

How many other out there feel the same??

If I was you I wouldnt want to find out.

Is that worth the 70hrs of cheesy semi-multi time?


Jobs are hard enoughto get these days, dont mame yourself with this bull$hit time.

GOOD LUCK!!!

Usually a Gulfstream operator is looking for more than 500hrs of piston twin time so I wouldn't worry about not getting called in. Because enough people with some kind of hiring authority feel the way Gulfstream 200 does, it's a good idea to have all single pilot aircraft time "logged" as PIC or not logged at all.

 

[OPECJet]

So you would discount the rest of my "legitimate" flight time over the perfectly legal SIC time that accounts for very little of my overall flight time and experience? Sounds a little rediculous to me. If I were conducting the interview, I would definately have some questions that would need to be answered, but I can't say I would not hire someone based solely on that issue. I would definately want to know that the applicant knew the airplane, and wasn't just sitting in a seat for the sake of building time. At the same time, I'm not sitting one anyone's selection board either.

Yes, I'm aware of how difficult it is to get a job in this market. I've been trying for several years, and was just recently succesful. I would certainly hope that future prospective employers would look at my entire logbook and overall experience rather than just two pages.

 

[WhiteCloud]

---Good luck picking up chicks as you step out the door of your 337 wearing 3 stripes.---

a whale survey that takes place for 4 months every year.

 

[328dude]

Just do what you feel is right dude. Go with your gut....

 

[JediNein]

"Really, you flew a Skymaster, an actual 336!!! Did it fly in 'Nam?" -asked an interviewer who flew an O-2 in 'Nam

Any more questions?

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[vclean]

You asked for different opinions. We aim to please. Log whatever you feel is legal and defensible. The first hurdle is the interview offer. Inventory your interview skills, background, FAR knowledge, systems knowledge (last multi flown) and flying ability (sim check, if req.). If your piston SIC is legal, log it. Just be able to justify the time if asked.

Search this board for interview threads and review your ability to answer common interview questions. Look for interview dos and don'ts. Study the FARs. Look for recent interview summaries for the various airlines you are interested in.

Apply early, apply often (variant of the Chicago voting policy).

 

[cvoav8r]

Dude, If you are serious about flying for a career and you want to fly for a good company someday, DO NOT... I repeat DO NOT put grey time in your book! Yes a little mold spoils the entire cottage cheese. GREY time includes SIC in anything where you have to prove it with an 8410, Safety pilot time, simulator time. It is simply not woth the risk to your life long career. You are better off working as a CFI that as a copilot in a C337. When I look over a applicants logbook and see grey time it is case closed, thank you for your time. Its an Integrity thing.