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[ferlo]

Allegheny Mohawk has ZILCH to do with DOH. This is more false hope from USAPA, (not the pickleball association, the cry babies on the East coast who don't know they should be blaming themselves for the nic award).

Binding Arbitration is Binding. Ask any of us Alaska guys who have now lost 120k since May of 05. Decertifying Alpa wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference.

 

[vetrider]

If the law were truly DOH why does it provide for arbitration? If it were truly DOH there would be no need for that, DOH could be done in a matter of seconds by computer.

Spin, baby, spin.

 

[waveflyer]

Relative seniority. If you were 60% seniority before a merger and 60% seniority after a merger, how can you say that you've gained or lost anything? QOL, bases, upgrades, aircraft are all about seniority. Anyone who pleads for DOH is simply looking for a windfall to make up for what his/her present airline has been unable to provide in the past. That's just the life of a pilot, sorry, you make a decision to accept an offer somewhere and when you retire you'll know if it was the best available airline for you. You can't get half way through your career, realize that you are in a dead end and may actually retire without the chance to upgrade in your base, and then see an opportunity to make up for lost time by merging with a growing, hiring, "more junior" airline than you. Sorry, I don't buy it.

Well said-
I've asked this before- do you think any airline, given the stagnation at USAir will agree to a DOH merger w/ you? That would be a windfall for you in EVERY possible case.
Before you say it's law- look at how you've ignored the law during your current process. No airline will allow it- DOH was changed as policy for good reasons and if the USAir weren't bought out by America West (who has long been treated like a step-child by ALPA) but rather by United or Delta you wouldn't have gotten as far as you have with your coup.
Sorry=- but we dont live in a socialist society. There are consequences to being at poorer run, stagnant company. You've been there for a LONG time- you've had your chances to get out to places where movement is better.

The east's issue is with our seniority system overall. In that- i agree with you. But don't be an old timer and try to change the rules mid-game....

 

[General Lee]

Merge is by D.O.H., as the law specifies.

If they have the same union, then the union's rules apply. If they do not, then Allegheny/Mohawk. Any ALPA carrier will follow the ALPA merger policy, which has specific criteria. If they cannot agree, then they can go to binding arbitration, and if they don't like that result, they can cry like babies like USAir East pilots.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ultrarunner]

Isn't that the truth General. The USAir guys spend the majority of their career getting hosed by management, and they'll spend what's left of hit hosing themselves.

And I would agree with most of your comments re: merger. I think there would have to be more "shrinking" to really increase the margin's. And airlines just don't like to shrink.

I think we'll start to see the government get a "touch" more involved if there isn't a correction in the industry (liquidation, etc.). There is simply way too much capacity, too many flights, and no new runways, airports or airspace. The government, IMO, is simply not going to tolerate the massive delays that continue to mount.

--ultra

 

[waveflyer]

it's funny how east pilots don't stay on public forums very long. they'd rather stay on their in-house web site where they can convince themselves that the industry is on their side.

With merger mania breathing down everyone's neck- noone thinks that usair couldn't be trying this crap with their airline too...

USAPA only delays your contract. You say your seniority is not for sale- i say you don't understand seniority- and your "Bottom-Feeder" wages aren't funny to any of us in this industry. You had a chance to get them up-= and you didn't= Maybe that doesn't make you a scab- but certainly no better than skybus, va or go-jets.... good job guys... but we're all with you...(sarcasm)

 

[Bruiser]

Who is the Hotty in the Orange shirt.

 

[olympus593]

My wife

 

[regionaltard]

Who is the Hotty in the Orange shirt.

Don't watch much ESPN? Congratulations on outing yourself.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

it's funny how east pilots don't stay on public forums very long. they'd rather stay on their in-house web site where they can convince themselves that the industry is on their side.

With merger mania breathing down everyone's neck- noone thinks that usair couldn't be trying this crap with their airline too...

USAPA only delays your contract. You say your seniority is not for sale- i say you don't understand seniority- and your "Bottom-Feeder" wages aren't funny to any of us in this industry. You had a chance to get them up-= and you didn't= Maybe that doesn't make you a scab- but certainly no better than skybus, va or go-jets.... good job guys... but we're all with you...(sarcasm)

Not true! Log onto usaviation.com there are more usapa clowns there than you can shake a stick at. Look at the usairways thread.

WD.