CE-750 Trans-Pacific?

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To add to your list of numbers, do you have the numbers (DOC / Aquisition Cost) for the G-500 and G-550 as well?

 

[G100driver]

One of the GIIs belonged to Carlson Company which also ownes a 2004 F2000 which they do not use for overseas travel.

GV
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Now I am really confused by this illogical arument ..... The guy who can afford to own a new DA-2000 is more concerned about a very unlikely dual geneator failure (most likely cause would be massive short or fire) than a very possible fuel emergecy while flying his G-II to Hawaii. Talk about nuts.

I also do not understand what 2 silly Gulfstream 200 operators were doing in Hawaii. After all here they were risking there lives in an airplane that was never intended to go overwater. This is an airplane with 2 AHARS and 2 GPS and no IRS. WOW, who would think that Gulfstream would sell this bill of goods to an unsuspecting public. WTF are you going to if there is a sat failure over the pacific.

 

[GVFlyer]

To add to your list of numbers, do you have the numbers (DOC / Aquisition Cost) for the G-500 and G-550 as well?

Sure, here you go.

Gulfstream G550 - DOC $1912 hr. / Cost $45.75 million / Range 6,750 nm

Gulfstream G500 - DOC $1886 hr. / Cost $38.00 million / Range 5,800 nm


GV

 

[GVFlyer]

Now I am really confused by this illogical arument ..... The guy who can afford to own a new DA-2000 is more concerned about a very unlikely dual geneator failure (most likely cause would be massive short or fire) than a very possible fuel emergecy while flying his G-II to Hawaii. Talk about nuts.

The Carlson aircraft is a G-IIB and is a former Wrigley aircraft which has spent it's entire life in international service. The G-IIB carries 28,300 lbs of usable fuel and is fundamentally a light weight G-III. It has a 3,500 nm range.

I also do not understand what 2 silly Gulfstream 200 operators were doing in Hawaii. After all here they were risking there lives in an airplane that was never intended to go overwater. This is an airplane with 2 AHARS and 2 GPS and no IRS. WOW, who would think that Gulfstream would sell this bill of goods to an unsuspecting public. WTF are you going to if there is a sat failure over the pacific.

As you probably know, I don't consider the G200 to be a Gulfstream. It flys more like a 3/4 scale Challenger. However, it does have a 3400 nm range and Gulfstream's largest customer for the aircraft is NetJets which sells it as an international aircraft.

GV

 

[G100driver]

As you probably know, I don't consider the G200 to be a Gulfstream. It flys more like a 3/4 scale Challenger. However, it does have a 3400 nm range and Gulfstream's largest customer for the aircraft is NetJets which sells it as an international aircraft.

GV

SHHHHHH do not tell Gulfstream .... last I heard Gulfstream took a very hard line on not refering the the Gulfstream 200 as a "real" Gulfstream ... I know that this is definately the case on the service center side.

I also know that Gulfstream demo pilots regularly fly this non-international airplane to Europe and Hawaii.

While admitidly we are getting off the beaten path here, it is just the glass house mentality.

If I ever hear our Gulfstream salesman (good friend to boot) give me this hogwash arguement I will remind him that his company markets airplanes which are MUCH less of an airplane for international/overwater flight than our 2000EX. Noisy and uncomfortable too.

As for the G-IIB, I did not know that you were refering to that airframe. I just assumed that it was a G-II(SP). Which of course has the same range as the Gulfstream-100 . I also feel that guys that fly the G100 to Hawaii should take a very cloes look at what they are doing.

Just so things never get hostile. You make excellent points (GREAT fishing tips as well) and have GREAT info and posts. I just think that the DA-2000 overwater thing is completly illogical .... but that is just me.