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Flyby1206
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Ouch! Any ideas about DESO? Or will that be all cadets?
Cpt. Underpants
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Our B744's are being withdrawn from pax services and replaced by B777ER's.
There are major redesigns of airspace in the Pearl River Delta (HKG, MFM, SZX, ZUH, GHZ) - something akin to SOCAL airspace - that will significantly shorten departures and arrivals to Europe and points Northwest. This will allow CX to schedule 3 man ops within our FTL's.
This means all S/O's will be redundant. Although there will be retirements and resignations, terminations and loss of licence "movements", all the slack will be taken up the S/O's already in the system.
CX is committed to a localization program, recruiting and training local S/O's.
They have further expanded the program to lure those wanting to fly but unable to pay for the necessary training. The deal? Sign on under local terms and conditions. Sounds benign, but it denies the candidate all expat benefits such as housing and education allowances. For the USD200K the candidate "saves", they will give up, over a career of 30 years, about USD5 MILLION in "benefits" under the present scheme. And the "cadet" is also bonded for four years.
The headlong rush to career mediocrity continues.
There are major redesigns of airspace in the Pearl River Delta (HKG, MFM, SZX, ZUH, GHZ) - something akin to SOCAL airspace - that will significantly shorten departures and arrivals to Europe and points Northwest. This will allow CX to schedule 3 man ops within our FTL's.
This means all S/O's will be redundant. Although there will be retirements and resignations, terminations and loss of licence "movements", all the slack will be taken up the S/O's already in the system.
CX is committed to a localization program, recruiting and training local S/O's.
They have further expanded the program to lure those wanting to fly but unable to pay for the necessary training. The deal? Sign on under local terms and conditions. Sounds benign, but it denies the candidate all expat benefits such as housing and education allowances. For the USD200K the candidate "saves", they will give up, over a career of 30 years, about USD5 MILLION in "benefits" under the present scheme. And the "cadet" is also bonded for four years.
The headlong rush to career mediocrity continues.
Cpt. Underpants
I wanted to thank you and few others publicly for all your help and the information you all shared with me when I was going threw selection process with CX. Its people like you who attracted me to want to join CX. Just like many others I have been waiting for over year now and 2012 is long time away and truth be told financially doesn't make sense to join at that time as I will start making over 100K in 2010 and its hard to take a other pay cut, I talked to few others who have been waiting for class date and they feel the same way, I know 2 of the them are headed to EK. CX was always my airline of choice and with your help I was able to pass the interview and for that I thank you.
I wanted to thank you and few others publicly for all your help and the information you all shared with me when I was going threw selection process with CX. Its people like you who attracted me to want to join CX. Just like many others I have been waiting for over year now and 2012 is long time away and truth be told financially doesn't make sense to join at that time as I will start making over 100K in 2010 and its hard to take a other pay cut, I talked to few others who have been waiting for class date and they feel the same way, I know 2 of the them are headed to EK. CX was always my airline of choice and with your help I was able to pass the interview and for that I thank you.
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Cpt. Underpants
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uspilot
You're welcome. I have always endeavored to tell it the way it is here - no bells or whistles and without the shiny new jet enthusiasm of others. It's a job - it used to be an outstanding job. As they say out here "horses for courses".*
* http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/horses+for+courses.html
You're welcome. I have always endeavored to tell it the way it is here - no bells or whistles and without the shiny new jet enthusiasm of others. It's a job - it used to be an outstanding job. As they say out here "horses for courses".*
* http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/horses+for+courses.html
Bjammin
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...Thank you from me as well. I also will always tell you the way it is here, from my personal perspective, both good and bad. While I have not had the years in as Cpt. U, I have had many dealings with management as well as my share of tragedies and successes.
Coming from a Naval tactical jet background, shiny-new jet syndrome is not a factor as no flying, for me, will compare to operating off the ship. What is important to me is maximizing pay and quality of life while staying airborne. I have squadron mates in most every airline in the states and some overseas and we compare airlines often. I compile that info and try to give my best conclusion on this company. As said before, your satisfaction with an airline is very personal. For one example of many, some love the domestic routes and fun-loving feel of SWA while others want to live overseas and fly four hole'rs over oceans.
Best of luck to you and hopefully we will all find our Shangri La someday.
Coming from a Naval tactical jet background, shiny-new jet syndrome is not a factor as no flying, for me, will compare to operating off the ship. What is important to me is maximizing pay and quality of life while staying airborne. I have squadron mates in most every airline in the states and some overseas and we compare airlines often. I compile that info and try to give my best conclusion on this company. As said before, your satisfaction with an airline is very personal. For one example of many, some love the domestic routes and fun-loving feel of SWA while others want to live overseas and fly four hole'rs over oceans.
Best of luck to you and hopefully we will all find our Shangri La someday.
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CX are not hiring at present.
However, (bearing in mind that CX peg their "competitive minimums" on who's out there) I would say that TODAY you would have a shot with about 5000TT, Multi/IFR (of course) and command time exceeding 2000 hrs on anything bigger than a CRJ
We fly 2 man crew on any sector < 9 hrs, 3 man >9 <15, and 4 man >15.
We have no more "classic" freighters (no F/E's in CX), many -400F's, -400ERF's, -400BCF's and our first 747-8F is about a year away.
At present rates of retirement and growth, expect 15 years as an F/O.
However, (bearing in mind that CX peg their "competitive minimums" on who's out there) I would say that TODAY you would have a shot with about 5000TT, Multi/IFR (of course) and command time exceeding 2000 hrs on anything bigger than a CRJ
We fly 2 man crew on any sector < 9 hrs, 3 man >9 <15, and 4 man >15.
We have no more "classic" freighters (no F/E's in CX), many -400F's, -400ERF's, -400BCF's and our first 747-8F is about a year away.
At present rates of retirement and growth, expect 15 years as an F/O.
atpcliff
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Hi!
Heard on other threads CX probably open up the hiring process soon, like many other carriers. Demand has picked up and is strong in Asia.
I know a Cathay guy. He said it was a horrible airline. I know another guy in the pool, who says, for him, it is THE best aviation job in the world. I also know a Cathay guy who lived in Hong Kong. He said it was the best years of his life, and he LOVED HK!
cliff
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PS-I will update my application, and would enjoy the job there.
Heard on other threads CX probably open up the hiring process soon, like many other carriers. Demand has picked up and is strong in Asia.
I know a Cathay guy. He said it was a horrible airline. I know another guy in the pool, who says, for him, it is THE best aviation job in the world. I also know a Cathay guy who lived in Hong Kong. He said it was the best years of his life, and he LOVED HK!
cliff
LFW
PS-I will update my application, and would enjoy the job there.
Swire, Haeco Halted on Transaction Statements; Cathay Suspended
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By Wendy Leung and Kyunghee Park
June 7 (Bloomberg) -- Swire Pacific Ltd. and affiliate Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering Co. halted their shares from trading in the city pending statements related to takeovers and mergers.
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., an affiliate of Swire and Haeco, also suspended its stock ahead of a “price sensitive” announcement. The Hong Kong-based companies gave no further details in their stock exchange statements today and didn’t say whether the suspensions were related.
Cathay Pacific in September agreed to sell a HK$1.9 billion ($244 million) stake in Haeco to Swire, its largest shareholder, boosting cash holdings amid plunging travel demand. The airline still has a 15 percent stake in Haeco, Hong Kong’s largest airplane maintenance provider, while Swire owns 46 percent, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
“There is a possibility that the remaining shares may be sold,” said Kelvin Lau, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Daiwa Institute of Research. “Swire may want Cathay to focus more on the airline business.”
Swire owns 42 percent of Cathay Pacific, Hong Kong’s largest airline.
Cindy Cheung, a spokeswoman for Swire, and Carolyn Leung, a Cathay spokeswoman, declined to comment. A call to Haeco went unanswered.
Swire and Haeco both said they would make announcements “pursuant to the Hong Kong Code on Takeovers and Mergers.”
To contact the reporters on this story: Wendy Leung in Hong Kong at [email protected]; Kyunghee Park in Hong Kong at [email protected]
Last Updated: June 6, 2010 22:20 EDT
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By Wendy Leung and Kyunghee Park
June 7 (Bloomberg) -- Swire Pacific Ltd. and affiliate Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering Co. halted their shares from trading in the city pending statements related to takeovers and mergers.
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., an affiliate of Swire and Haeco, also suspended its stock ahead of a “price sensitive” announcement. The Hong Kong-based companies gave no further details in their stock exchange statements today and didn’t say whether the suspensions were related.
Cathay Pacific in September agreed to sell a HK$1.9 billion ($244 million) stake in Haeco to Swire, its largest shareholder, boosting cash holdings amid plunging travel demand. The airline still has a 15 percent stake in Haeco, Hong Kong’s largest airplane maintenance provider, while Swire owns 46 percent, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
“There is a possibility that the remaining shares may be sold,” said Kelvin Lau, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Daiwa Institute of Research. “Swire may want Cathay to focus more on the airline business.”
Swire owns 42 percent of Cathay Pacific, Hong Kong’s largest airline.
Cindy Cheung, a spokeswoman for Swire, and Carolyn Leung, a Cathay spokeswoman, declined to comment. A call to Haeco went unanswered.
Swire and Haeco both said they would make announcements “pursuant to the Hong Kong Code on Takeovers and Mergers.”
To contact the reporters on this story: Wendy Leung in Hong Kong at [email protected]; Kyunghee Park in Hong Kong at [email protected]
Last Updated: June 6, 2010 22:20 EDT
just a guess...Bloomberg.
Cpt. Underpants
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milflyboy
FYI we have about 300 S/O's (second officers) who been designated eaters for three, sometimes four years now. They already have CX in court for breach of contract issues regarding pay and benefits resulting from the last batch of DEFO hires. Word on the street is that the S/O's will win this one. Present estimates for DOJ as a S/O to command are...
26 years.
Yes, things do change, and rapidly.
Honestly (and I don't mean to burst your bubble) I don't think there will be any DEFO hiring soon. Here's why:
As the B747-800F's arrive, older BCF's will be withdrawn from service with a zero net fleet growth on the freighter side.
The B773ER's are still arriving, but it's no secret that the 5 X B772's are not a compatible fleet fit, and will go sooner rather than later. The A343's will go soon too. Mates (TRE/TRI's) leaving the B744 fleet returning to the AB fleet are not even being CCQ'd on the A343, and are flying the A333 exclusively.
Yes, CX is looking at a new ULH machine and RFP's are out. Best guess is a mix of A350 and B787 to replace older A333's - and we have a bunch of them. No A380's or B747-800I's. Yet.
I'm not sure if it's MILFlyboy or MILflyboy, but if you're military and nearing end of contract, I suggest you write to CX recruitment and establish max hiring age, or at the very least get your name in the system if you haven't already done so.
Best of luck.
FYI we have about 300 S/O's (second officers) who been designated eaters for three, sometimes four years now. They already have CX in court for breach of contract issues regarding pay and benefits resulting from the last batch of DEFO hires. Word on the street is that the S/O's will win this one. Present estimates for DOJ as a S/O to command are...
26 years.
Yes, things do change, and rapidly.
Honestly (and I don't mean to burst your bubble) I don't think there will be any DEFO hiring soon. Here's why:
As the B747-800F's arrive, older BCF's will be withdrawn from service with a zero net fleet growth on the freighter side.
The B773ER's are still arriving, but it's no secret that the 5 X B772's are not a compatible fleet fit, and will go sooner rather than later. The A343's will go soon too. Mates (TRE/TRI's) leaving the B744 fleet returning to the AB fleet are not even being CCQ'd on the A343, and are flying the A333 exclusively.
Yes, CX is looking at a new ULH machine and RFP's are out. Best guess is a mix of A350 and B787 to replace older A333's - and we have a bunch of them. No A380's or B747-800I's. Yet.
I'm not sure if it's MILFlyboy or MILflyboy, but if you're military and nearing end of contract, I suggest you write to CX recruitment and establish max hiring age, or at the very least get your name in the system if you haven't already done so.
Best of luck.
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