CASS and MLOA

[Deuce130]

. I have a hard time believing that this was the first jumpseat he did while on that stint of mil leave and did not know whether he was in CASS or not. Just a thought.

So now Magnum!! is likely to be responsible for the downfall of CASS AND he's a liar to boot? You have no idea how long his stint his or how many times he's jumpseated. He was also upfront about not being in CASS. He told a story about mil leave and jumpseating, was honest and factual, and you people are freaking out. Get over it, already. Your message is passed and the horse is dead. There's no need to question the integrity of someone you don't even know while you're at it. If you guys are that upset about it, call your j/s coordinators and rat him and the flight crew out. Make sure you cite FI.com as you're source, though.

 

[stonewall]

I have a hard time believing that this was the first jumpseat he did while on that stint of mil leave and did not know whether he was in CASS or not.

That's uncalled for. It was, in fact, the first time I've tried to j/s while on MLA. I live in my Guard city...why would I jumpseat anywhere? I don't make a habit of hopping flights to random cities. I clearly stated I told the gate agent I was unsure if I was active in CASS...why would someone lie to a gate agent about something like that when it can be verified? Don't assume because you might roll that way, others must also.

This whole thing is stupid. I wasn't trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes nor was I trying to skirt any rules. I was trying to get home from a TDY base to see my wife and kid. I appreciate all the advice regarding jumpseating, especially from people who actually know the rules like Rez. However, I'm not apologizing for anything, nor do I think anyone involved in the chain of events that night, from me to the gate agent to the F/A to the pilots of the flight, did anything wrong. I'm done with this thread.

 

[Full of LUV]

What if your airline is still showing you in CASS?

That's uncalled for. It was, in fact, the first time I've tried to j/s while on MLA. I live in my Guard city...why would I jumpseat anywhere? I don't make a habit of hopping flights to random cities. I clearly stated I told the gate agent I was unsure if I was active in CASS...why would someone lie to a gate agent about something like that when it can be verified? Don't assume because you might roll that way, others must also.

This whole thing is stupid. I wasn't trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes nor was I trying to skirt any rules. I was trying to get home from a TDY base to see my wife and kid. I appreciate all the advice regarding jumpseating, especially from people who actually know the rules like Rez. However, I'm not apologizing for anything, nor do I think anyone involved in the chain of events that night, from me to the gate agent to the F/A to the pilots of the flight, did anything wrong. I'm done with this thread.

I've been MLOA for nearly 9 months and still show up in CASS. Is it wrong to fly in the j/s if I am in CASS still?
Thanks

 

[RedDogC130]

I've been MLOA for nearly 9 months and still show up in CASS. Is it wrong to fly in the j/s if I am in CASS still?
Thanks

No that is the whole point. If you come up in CASS you can ride in the cockpit. If you are not you are stuck in the back. Not hard. Some people here can't get that. Magnum and Deuce...relax. You tell a story then get pissed at what people have to say. I think everyone gets the point now. Move on nothing to see here. Bye

 

[stonewall]

No that is the whole point. If you come up in CASS you can ride in the cockpit. If you are not you are stuck in the back. Not hard. Some people here can't get that. Magnum and Deuce...relax. You tell a story then get pissed at what people have to say. I think everyone gets the point now. Move on nothing to see here. Bye

Everyone "gets" that, RedDog. If the system works perfectly, no problem. The point of this thread was to highlight the different inconsistencies, issues, and problems with j/s while on MLA.

I didn't get pissed about anything until you called me a liar. Now I remember why I left FI for 4 months....

 

[Andy]

I've been MLOA for nearly 9 months and still show up in CASS. Is it wrong to fly in the j/s if I am in CASS still?
Thanks

I went VFR direct from furlough to mil leave. I'm in CASS. I've jumpseated on three flights since returning in Jan; one in the cockpit. All three flights on different carriers.

 

[pkober]

Everyone "gets" that, RedDog. If the system works perfectly, no problem. The point of this thread was to highlight the different inconsistencies, issues, and problems with j/s while on MLA.

I didn't get pissed about anything until you called me a liar. Now I remember why I left FI for 4 months....

Probably the most relaxing 4 months of your life!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

As far as the other MILITARY guy drinking beer while j/s'ing...well, I think it is a coincidence. Neither myself or Magnum is "that guy." As a matter of fact, I've seen civilian clowns blatantly break rules as well. It has absolutely nothing to do with being in the MILITARY or not. Are you one of those guys?

The guy who drank beer justified it with "the fighter pilot in me said go for it!"

Just like the CASS situation I don't think "The FA said it was ok to have a beer" is a ligitimate excuse...Just as "The CA said it was ok to ride the flightdeck j/s w/o CASS"

pkober called me out as a union guy.... well yeah... and when a pilot gets spanked for drinking beer while jumpseating or riding the flightdeck j/s without CASS- OK then it is the union volunteer who will sacrifice his personal time to defend the guilty party.

Would you rather hear about it on a moniker message board or from your Chief Pilot, FAA and/or TSA?




But enough about that... you MIL guys who have airline jobs have a much bigger problem: The 2008 presidential election.

If the majority of your future income and career is going to be from the CIV job then electing a pro labor president will be critical to your future.... I don't blame you for not wanting Clinton or Obama..maybe you like Dodd or Edwards? Biden? These are pro labor candidates that support union workers like you. It is your career...

 

[Tim47SIP]

Well guys, thanks for the replies. Rez, your concerns are noted but I just wanted to hear from the Mil guys and their experiences. I didnt mean this to become a pissing contest between Civs and Mil guys. We are all in this boat together, in more ways than you may think.

Tim

 

[Scrapdog]

The guy who drank beer justified it with "the fighter pilot in me said go for it!"

Just like the CASS situation I don't think "The FA said it was ok to have a beer" is a ligitimate excuse...Just as "The CA said it was ok to ride the flightdeck j/s w/o CASS"

pkober called me out as a union guy.... well yeah... and when a pilot gets spanked for drinking beer while jumpseating or riding the flightdeck j/s without CASS- OK then it is the union volunteer who will sacrifice his personal time to defend the guilty party.

Would you rather hear about it on a moniker message board or from your Chief Pilot, FAA and/or TSA?




But enough about that... you MIL guys who have airline jobs have a much bigger problem: The 2008 presidential election.

If the majority of your future income and career is going to be from the CIV job then electing a pro labor president will be critical to your future.... I don't blame you for not wanting Clinton or Obama..maybe you like Dodd or Edwards? Biden? These are pro labor candidates that support union workers like you. It is your career...

Rez - come on...now you're crossing the line. You lost all credibility here by bringing politics into a thread from a military aviator asking his fellow military brethren their experience on j/s'ing while on MLOA.

You want to know what I'm really afraid of? Forget my CIV job, let's talk about our national security. The last thing I want is a weak appeaser like Clinton (I'm actually disgusted typing her name), Obama - who has absolutely zero experience in foreign policy, or Edwards who's just a wimp altogether. You get one of those clowns elected - well, we won't have a military at all...we'll just hug the terrorists and tax American citizens more so we can get another government sponsored program to listen to their feelings. We need someone that will kick a$$ for years to come and will continue to beef up our military and our foreign policy might - namely Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson. I could care less about my civilian job when our national security is in jeapordy in the first place.

Last but not least - Magnum is my squadron mate. We've been flying in the military the last few years together. We share a bond that no civilian can understand - not that that's a bad thing - but it's just something military bro's throughout all services share that just doesn't exist in the civilian world. Period, dot. I will defend him and go to war with him any day of the week. Maybe he mad a mistake in the past when he j/s'ed. If so, I apologize. I can assure he's very intelligent, he's a great aviator, and most importantly he's got a very solid foundation in integrity. We all make mistakes and do things we shouldn't have. Hence the definition of humanity.

You made the mistake of poking your nose in here. This was a friendly chat amongst military bro's and their experiences j/s'ing while on mil leave. We don't need you to continue to critique us nor do we need your help. We'll do just fine, trust me.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez - come on...now you're crossing the line. You lost all credibility here by bringing politics into a thread from a military aviator asking his fellow military brethren their experience on j/s'ing while on MLOA.

No, I brought politics in this for two reasons: To try and kill the j/s discussion and also bring up an important part of being an Air Line Pilot.

You want to know what I'm really afraid of?

Control your fear. Politics isn't black and white. More later...

Forget my CIV job,

I am so very disapointed you said that...

let's talk about our national security. The last thing I want is a weak appeaser like Clinton (I'm actually disgusted typing her name), Obama - who has absolutely zero experience in foreign policy, or Edwards who's just a wimp altogether. You get one of those clowns elected - well, we won't have a military at all...we'll just hug the terrorists and tax American citizens more so we can get another government sponsored program to listen to their feelings. We need someone that will kick a$$ for years to come and will continue to beef up our military and our foreign policy might - namely Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson.

All the above is fine. However, the intended (or unintended) consequences......be prepared to be treated very poorly as an Air Line Pilot. Poor wages, poor work rules, poor benefits and no retirement. This is how our companies view us: hourly labor. No different from a hotel maid. There is no loyalty. Our companies are not in service of our country. They are in service of the all mighty dollar. The sign in our bosses office says "If you have something then I don't have everything"

I could care less about my civilian job

So so very disapointed...

when our national security is in jeapordy in the first place.

That is/was/will be the million dollar question.....

Last but not least - Magnum is my squadron mate.

And both of you are my Fellow Air Line Pilots.

We've been flying in the military the last few years together. We share a bond that no civilian can understand - not that that's a bad thing - but it's just something military bro's throughout all services share that just doesn't exist in the civilian world.

Loyalty is how much you give, how much you get and rightousness

Period, dot. I will defend him and go to war with him any day of the week. Maybe he mad a mistake in the past when he j/s'ed. If so, I apologize. I can assure he's very intelligent, he's a great aviator, and most importantly he's got a very solid foundation in integrity. We all make mistakes and do things we shouldn't have. Hence the definition of humanity.

I agree.

We all make mistakes... how we respond afterwards defines who we are....

You made the mistake of poking your nose in here.

This is a public board of opinions. If you want secure comaradiere then get a password protected webboard.

This was a friendly chat amongst military bro's and their experiences j/s'ing while on mil leave. We don't need you to continue to critique us nor do we need your help.

Acutally, you do need help from union volunteers to manage your MLOA, benefits, USERRA (sp), and CASS issues. Did you sleep through CRM?

We'll do just fine, trust me.

Of course...

There are many MIL pilots that understand what it means to be an Air Line Pilot. I don't think you are going to hear from me. Seek them out and ask.

If Hilary Clinton wants to author the Air Line Pilot Career Restoration Act of 2008 I'll met with her, work with her staff and make it so. It doesn't mean I like her, I want her as President or I even identify with her. It means I am an issue oreintated pilot who is a custodian of the profession.

 

[Scrapdog]

No, I brought politics in this for two reasons: To try and kill the j/s discussion and also bring up an important part of being an Air Line Pilot.



Control your fear. Politics isn't black and white. More later...




I am so very disapointed you said that...



All the above is fine. However, the intended (or unintended) consequences......be prepared to be treated very poorly as an Air Line Pilot. Poor wages, poor work rules, poor benefits and no retirement. This is how our companies view us: hourly labor. No different from a hotel maid. There is no loyalty. Our companies are not in service of our country. They are in service of the all mighty dollar. The sign in our bosses office says "If you have something then I don't have everything"



So so very disapointed...



That is/was/will be the million dollar question.....




And both of you are my Fellow Air Line Pilots.



Loyalty is how much you give, how much you get and rightousness




I agree.

We all make mistakes... how we respond afterwards defines who we are....



This is a public board of opinions. If you want secure comaradiere then get a password protected webboard.



Acutally, you do need help from union volunteers to manage your MLOA, benefits, USERRA (sp), and CASS issues. Did you sleep through CRM?




Of course...

There are many MIL pilots that understand what it means to be an Air Line Pilot. I don't think you are going to hear from me. Seek them out and ask.

If Hilary Clinton wants to author the Air Line Pilot Career Restoration Act of 2008 I'll met with her, work with her staff and make it so. It doesn't mean I like her, I want her as President or I even identify with her. It means I am an issue oreintated pilot who is a custodian of the profession.

LOL - As usual you twist my words. When I say I could care less about my civ job...it's only in reference to the fact that my cares about our nation's national security come first. I do care about civ job, however I have priorities...and that is second in priority to what I mentioned above. You have yours, I have mine. If you so feel that you need to be disappointed in me Rez, by all means - do what you need to do.

I feel no matter what I say, you'll always feel the need to re-butt it. Therefore, our conversation is over. If you feel you need to re-butt this post, by all means go ahead...but I'm done. I just wanted to help a fellow mil bro out with my j/s'ing experiences so far on mil leave - and that's what I thought this thread was about.

Rez, I wish you good luck in your life dude. I think our beer will have to wait - it seems we don't have that much in common after all.

 

[stonewall]

C'mon, everyone, group hug. Scrapdog is right in that if our nation ain't secure, there's no point in having commerce. Rez is absolutely right in that our civilian employers will replace us in a heartbeat if they could get away with it.

There's room to care about both. I know Scrapdog does, he's a professional pilot in both worlds. Trust me, you want him with you whether you're crossing the fence in combat or flying the IAH-EWR redeye in Hurricane Rita. Both our active duty pilots and our civilian pilots play important roles in this country, and our pilots that do BOTH have to straddle a fence that isn't always easy to straddle...at least until we can't do our military jobs effectively anymore.

I think Rez is correct in that we need to do more as pilots to protect our economic future. I absolutely love my Guard job and won't give it up easily, but it's Fedex that's going to put my kids through college.

 

[pilotyip]

Hang in there

I think Rez is correct in that we need to do more as pilots to protect our economic future. I absolutely love my Guard job and won't give it up easily, but it's Fedex that's going to put my kids through college.

A lot of DAL, UAL, etc pilots who dropped out of the reserves, I know I flew with them, said the reserves were not worth the effort. There Major Airline retirement would have them set for life. As one of my DAL buddies who stayed said. "Man finishing up my reserves to retirement is one of the smartest things I have ever done." Tricare for life has a nice touch.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

LOL - As usual you twist my words. When I say I could care less about my civ job...it's only in reference to the fact that my cares about our nation's national security come first.

Actually you can do both. That is the trick. Many people feel there is a decsion or a priority. You can politically support both your MIL and CIV job. It is one of the most difficult fences to walk...but as magnum said...

I do care about civ job, however I have priorities...and that is second in priority to what I mentioned above. You have yours, I have mine. If you so feel that you need to be disappointed in me Rez, by all means - do what you need to do.

Again the goal is to get pilots to realize not to choose. One can actually vote for a pro-labor president and still work anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-defense/nat'l security or whatever the issues are..

I feel no matter what I say, you'll always feel the need to re-butt it. Therefore, our conversation is over. If you feel you need to re-butt this post, by all means go ahead...but I'm done.

This is more than being about you.... for every person that posts there are 10+ lurkers/readers..

I just wanted to help a fellow mil bro out with my j/s'ing experiences so far on mil leave - and that's what I thought this thread was about.

Funny.. that is what I wanted to do... help him and protect the program....

Rez, I wish you good luck in your life dude.

And in yours....

I think our beer will have to wait - it seems we don't have that much in common after all.

I disagree. I think we both want national defense, great Air Line jobs, jumpseating and beer. Wouldn't you agree? Maybe magnum can sit between us...