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June 7, 2005, 12:11AM


Carriers call off fare hike

Analysts say limited matching by industry is sign increase won't fly

By BILL HENSEL JR.
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle



The latest fare increase floated by most of the nation's airlines has fallen apart.

United Airlines initiated the increase Thursday night, and other airlines matched it Friday. But not all the carriers matched the same way, analysts said Monday.

For example, JP Morgan airline analyst Jamie Baker characterized the participation by Houston-based Continental and by Northwest Airlines in the price increase as limited.

But Continental said that it essentially had matched what American Airlines did, which mirrored the hike United put in place — minus an Aug. 16 expiration date United used.

Baker also noted that low-cost carriers didn't climb on board with the increase.

The proposed fare increase called for many round-trip fares to increase $10 for flights under 1,000 miles and $20 for longer flights.

Travel expert Terry Trippler noted that the increase began unraveling Sunday afternoon when American and Northwest pulled back. Continental followed Monday morning, he said.

Trippler, of Cheapseats.com, said he thinks the airlines were sending a message to United. The carrier is in bankruptcy court and will not have to meet some of its pension obligations, so other carriers may resent it for leading a fare increase.

"This is clearly a shot across the bow of United, saying, 'You've been operating under bankruptcy, and you are not controlling airfares; we are,' " Trippler said.

Airlines like American and Northwest may have been toying with United by even agreeing to the fare increase in the first place, he said.

It wouldn't be surprising if a carrier other than United proposed a fare increase later this week, he said.

The old-line carriers have been raising domestic prices all year, usually citing continued high fuel prices.

But, generally speaking, all of those carriers have to match a given increase, or it will be withdrawn.

Baker said the eight increases put in place this year that have stuck have offset higher fuel prices by $5 to $6. Without that, matters in the troubled airline industry would be even worse, he said.

Also, there is disagreement within the industry over the $499 one-way cap Delta put in place earlier this year as part of its "Simplifares" program, Baker said.

"We believe Delta's cap will eventually need to rise for future broad industry fare increases to occur," the analyst said.

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The old-line carriers have been raising domestic prices all year, usually citing continued high fuel prices.

But, generally speaking, all of those carriers have to match a given increase, or it will be withdrawn.


The throat slashing continues!!! Why cant these guys keep these increases or just implement a FUEL SURCHARGE permanently until this volitile market (on fuel) starts a downward trend!!!!
 
And on a related note:

Northwest airlines is in Washington DC right now lobbying Congress for changes in the way airlines have to do their pension funding.

These airlines won't charge what they should, they ask all the employees to subsidize these obscene fares.

Meanwhile FedEx and UPS have fuel surcharges in place, they cover all their costs and are making money to boot.
 
Pickle said:
And on a related note:

Northwest airlines is in Washington DC right now lobbying Congress for changes in the way airlines have to do their pension funding.

These airlines won't charge what they should, they ask all the employees to subsidize these obscene fares.

Meanwhile FedEx and UPS have fuel surcharges in place, they cover all their costs and are making money to boot.

So if we can whittle down the passenger carrying companies to two, we should be good. Brilliant.
 
Les's see, if you want to send a package you can use:

FedEx

UPS

ASTAR

BAX

Kitty Hawk

Most of the passenger airlines carry cargo, so there is about a dozen more.
 
labbats said:
So if we can whittle down the passenger carrying companies to two, we should be good. Brilliant.
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It seems to work for the US gasoline producers. . .
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Maybe what we need is a "LCFC" - Low Cost Freight Carrier. Once those start popping up, Fedex and UPS will become the "legacy" freight carriers as the LCFCs undercut everybody, and be plagued by the similar fate of legacy pax airlines. I'm serious, could this happen? A "SWA" of freight? Then I bet fuel surcharges wouldn't be happening as much.

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aa73 said:
Maybe what we need is a "LCFC" - Low Cost Freight Carrier. Once those start popping up, Fedex and UPS will become the "legacy" freight carriers as the LCFCs undercut everybody, and be plagued by the similar fate of legacy pax airlines. I'm serious, could this happen? A "SWA" of freight? Then I bet fuel surcharges wouldn't be happening as much.

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In your haste to share the pax carrier's pain with us (misery loves company), you seem to forget that flying the airplanes full of boxes is only a percentage of the trip. Your "LCFC" (or whatever) also has to spring for an entire network of trucks and couriers to deliver the boxes door to door.

Oh yeah, you can't just cherry pick the good routes at the best time of the year either, you customers won't stay around long.

And yes, Fred and UPS would crush you and pick the bones clean before your LCFC even showed up on the radar screen of America. . . .
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I find it amusing how several years ago the cargo guys were looked down upon by the pax guys. . . . now we are your heros. . . .
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You may genuflect on your way out of this thread... . .
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klhoard said:
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In your haste to share the pax carrier's pain with us (misery loves company), you seem to forget that flying the airplanes full of boxes is only a percentage of the trip. Your "LCFC" (or whatever) also has to spring for an entire network of trucks and couriers to deliver the boxes door to door.

Oh yeah, you can't just cherry pick the good routes at the best time of the year either, you customers won't stay around long.

And yes, Fred and UPS would crush you and pick the bones clean before your LCFC even showed up on the radar screen of America. . . .
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I find it amusing how several years ago the cargo guys were looked down upon by the pax guys. . . . now we are your heros. . . .
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You may genuflect on your way out of this thread... . .
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Geez Hoard, I wasn't trying to throw bad karma your way, just wondering about a scenario like this and what would happen.

I never ever looked down on cargo guys, the job you guys do is something I personally could never do but I respect it just the same. But I never considered you my "hero".

Chill out dude, spread the love.

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