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domyalex said:
Hi to all!
maybe some of you don't know about the island of Saba, in the Caribbean. Well, it has one of the world's shortest commercial runways, ended on both sides by... 200' cliffs!

Enjoy the video!
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/j.deken/SABA.wmv

More pics at:
http://www.georgiajets.org/Links/FWIW/Saba_Airport/saba_airport.html

Come flying in the Caribbean! <wink>
Now that looks like a blast! What's the deal with flying into Haiti and the Dominican Republic? Anyone done that?

Looks like fairly straight forward island hopping from Florida. I'd like to try that one of these days...
 
fastandlow said:
Now that looks like a blast! What's the deal with flying into Haiti and the Dominican Republic? Anyone done that?

Looks like fairly straight forward island hopping from Florida. I'd like to try that one of these days...

Airports down here are pretty big (compared to some Caribbean standards). I know for sure that MDSD (Santo Domingo), MDLR (La Romana), MDPC (Punta Cana) and MDPP (Puerto Plata) can handle heavy airliners.

Oh well, just found this online:
http://www.aircraft-charter-world.com/airports/centralamerica/dominicanrep.htm


Fly safe
 
If anyone is into diving, take a trip down to Saba for a couple days. There are over 30 dive sites within 100 feet of the shore. Absolutely amazing stuff there. The approach and landing is a awesome. Winair occasionally offers $1 a mile specials from SXM - Saba, about $60 round trip. Also there is some really good hikes around the mountain if you are a hippie and into that type of stuff.
 
I can't wait to make a stop there. The runway is 1200' and requires a special permit to land there. WinAir flys the otters in there on a regular basis. Thanks for the video!!!
 
The Twin Otter is a very easy airplane to fly into and out of short or unprepared strips...it was designed for that exact reason.

In the high arctic we operated them off all kinds of landing surfaces from paved runways to eskers in the summer and snow & ice in the winter.

Landings such as in the video are routine and really not all that difficult with the Twin Otter.

Where the airplane really shines is on floats, it is a really great float plane.

Cat Driver
 
88_MALIBU said:
Wow, I think he made it down within about 5 feet of the end... What a cool clip!

Landing that close to the end was even overkill....look at how little runway he used....and he barely even touched the brakes. I've taken a Twotter out of a 2800' grass strip many times, and never used more than 60-70% of it with 20 skydivers aboard. Landing(though, I've never landed a Twotter with more than 3 people onboard, myself included) was even easier, being able to stop the thing by the halfway point without touching the brakes. Awesome airplanes....specifically designed for the really short, unimproved strips.
 
As I understand it, when WinAir fills that otter up to the max, it takes off that runway like a carrier takeoff and actually looses a few feet before climbing.
 
Aye, the Twin Otter.

It can land and stop in 500 feet at sea level.
This here Saba video was not too dramatic, especially with the wind-sock hanging down like a wet noodle.

Try St. Barths, 1700 feet strip, approaching over a 200' hill next to the threshold..

The Twotter is a fantastic machine...I was just as impressed with it on the last flight, 4 years and 2000 hours after the first flight in the machine..

Try a "High Performance Take-Off" by standing on the brakes, full power, all flaps and ailerons down, wheel all the way back, then let go the brakes:

Very short ground roll...lift off way before VMC...Not quite legal FAR 135, but hell of a rush it is.

(Don't try this at home kids, especially with the elevator neutral, it will wheel-barrow on the nose wheel and loose directional control to the left....Look at the SJU G/S shack, it was taken out some years ago by a Twin Otter pilot trying to gun it with full flaps and not pulling full up elevator..Eastern Metro Express, about 1987..There went my profit sharing...RIP)
 
There are three airports there that require special qualification, TFFB (Saba) TFFS (Statia) and TFFJ (St Baarths) I got a checkout for TFFJ and it's one hairy approach. Saba is a shorter strip, but St Baarths is far more challenging because you have to go thru a mountain pass, and then dive the flying machine to hit the numbers. The whole time the airspeed needle is all over the place, due to the terrain-induced windshear. Then the runway disappears because it's a pretty good downhill slope, ending at a beach and into the water. A guy I used to fly DC-3's for took a DC-3 (empty) in there, if you go into the Met office to file your flight plan you'll see the picture on the wall of the A/C sitting on the ramp.
 
Darn you Cat Driver. I was going to mention stuff about flying the twin otter in the Arctic, but you beat me to it. Oh well.

The flying down in Haiti is pretty straight forward as far as twin otter flying goes. We were using the twin otter as a sked airplane from airport to airport, so that is not really the niche the twin otter has really carved itself into.

We did do a little bit of off field work on a little inland north of Haiti (L'isle de tortue) The "strip" that we landed on was a goat track if you could even call it that, when we paced it out, we figured it to be just under 1000' long. We went in there at 10 500 or 10 700 I can't remember with no wind on a day that was 35 + degrees out. The airplane is more than capable of landing and taking off from a strip like that. The ideal STOL landing is one where the stall light illuminates in the flare, right at the start of the runway....it's very impressive when it is done properly.

The full STOL take off is definately something that anyone who flies the twin otter should know how to do, it can get you out of places that you shouldn't be in in the first place. Standing on the brakes is a definate necessity, as well as the stick all the way back in the gut. Off the brakes, the airplane jumps forward, the nose wheel breaks ground, roll the nose forward, pick up some speed to be above red line, get the flaps back to 10 degrees through blueline, and fly it away like normal after that. If there are unknown obstacles around, the climb at red line is ideal, but you are hooped if anything decides to go kaput.


This may be the first and last time that I will ever get to correct Cat Driver, so here goes. The twin otter was NOT designed for short field/off strip work, it was originally intended for the 19 seat commuter market using inner city airports.

However, with the incredible STOL performance of the twin otter, it was ideal to follow in the footsteps of the Beaver and single Otter and become a world renowned bush airplane.

Hey Cat, did you ever see Transat's twin otter? I believe it was a -310 series, although that may have been the Australian or British conversion...can't remember. The Transat twin otter had spoilers, a re-designed brake system and a different fire system I believe...your good friends at Transport are now in pocession of it....but I believe they have converted it back a standard 300 series model.
 
A guy I used to fly DC-3's for took a DC-3 (empty) in there, if you go into the Met office to file your flight plan you'll see the picture on the wall of the A/C sitting on the ramp.

I flew for the same guy back in 1985..When were ya there?
 
Ok, I'll bite....
I have heard many times about the great STOL capabilities of the Twin Otter; my question now is: what is this due about?
Is this due to a particular wing configuration / powerful engines / ?
I understand that, with less than 5 pax, it will become airborne around 50 knots... That's in the C172 neighborhood!
 
CSY Mon said:
I flew for the same guy back in 1985..When were ya there?

I flew for him end of 86,beginning of 87....till he got too cheap to buy parts...it was a shame, because I had really started to get that DC-3 in good shape. I wanted to buy the a/c off him, but he wanted too much for it. Hugo came along and took it regardless of price....

I might know you...pm your name. BTW who ya flying for now??
 
domyalex said:
Ok, I'll bite....
I have heard many times about the great STOL capabilities of the Twin Otter; my question now is: what is this due about?
Is this due to a particular wing configuration / powerful engines / ?
I understand that, with less than 5 pax, it will become airborne around 50 knots... That's in the C172 neighborhood!
High lift/low speed wing, long span fowler flaps, *all* that airplane stuff! More powerful -27 engines don't hurt! IMO, it handles a lot like a great big 182.
 

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