Cargo Pilot Pay At Top Of Industry

[FoxHunter]

Also, pensions..... never more in danger at Brown and Purple.

Finally, cabatoge...... with Bush in a 2nd term office and nothing to lose and a Repub Congress combined with the camels' nose already under the tent (Alaska/Stevens), look to see a solid cabatoge foundation built that even the most effective pro-labor legislator can't reverse....

Pro Bush airline pilots...you voted for him...here it comes!! Capitalism and free market societies that we all love an adore will make US pilots too expensive.

We all love outsourcing... be prepared to be out sourced!

Pensions? I expect to see a cash balance plan at FedEx for new hires with the new ALPA contract. Present pilots wiill have the choice of the current plan, or the cash balance. Just like the rest of FedEx's non-union employees had last year.

Cabatoge....Best thing that could happen to the FedEx pilot group. The 727s up in Canada would then be flown by FedEx pilots. The A300B4 seen in both London and Paris flown by Air Contractors would be replaced by FedEx A300s.

FedEx doesn't like out sourcing of its ops. They do like total control. They out source where thy have to but would prefer not.

 

[freightdogfred]

Pensions? I expect to see a cash balance plan at FedEx for new hires with the new ALPA contract. Present pilots wiill have the choice of the current plan, or the cash balance. Just like the rest of FedEx's non-union employees had last year.

Cabatoge....Best thing that could happen to the FedEx pilot group. The 727s up in Canada would then be flown by FedEx pilots. The A300B4 seen in both London and Paris flown by Air Contractors would be replaced by FedEx A300s.

FedEx doesn't like out sourcing of its ops. They do like total control. They out source where thy have to but would prefer not.

They might like total control, but if they can pay a Sri Lankan pilot or Vietnamese pilot 30$ an hour vs 178$ an hour they might be willing to "ease up" on their position of total control.

Trust me, Cabotage or the "seventh freedom" of air commerce will not do you any good, it will be the end of your paycheck as you now know it.

 

[Cowboypilot]

I once asked a FedEx pilot, When did yall stop being freighters and started actilng like a airline," to which he replyed, "When our salaries went over 90K....."

 

[Publishers]

I think if we looked at it, there is far more danger of us taking foreign jobs than the other way around. Look at all the United States pilots flying for IASCO and other crew companies, flying in the Middle East, etc.

The bottom line reason is our training and the numbers entering the profession. In the end, we have less to fear from cabotage than the other countries. We worry about all these jobs shifted overseas when the fact is I believe we probably have more shipped in than out.

What goes out are the high paid union type industrial jobs. They are more politically visible. You have to remember that there is a quid pro quo here and if we let them fly into here and we let there pilots fly here, we get to do it there as well. Most of the airlines are subsidized and would not last if unprotected.

 

[FoxHunter]

They might like total control, but if they can pay a Sri Lankan pilot or Vietnamese pilot 30$ an hour vs 178$ an hour they might be willing to "ease up" on their position of total control.

Trust me, Cabotage or the "seventh freedom" of air commerce will not do you any good, it will be the end of your paycheck as you now know it.

In 1995 a company named Cathay Pacific hired pilots outside their system seniority list to fly their freighters. Cathay used an organization named UPAS to recruit lower paid pilots. Most were American. UPAS was owned by another American organization called ALPA.

Cabotoge, for FedEx pilots, would be a great step forward. Not the party line at ALPA, but great for us. Sorry I don't trust you because you have no idea.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I disagree.....

Cabatoge is a threat, because you are assuming that if cabatoge is opened up in the US, therre will be agreements with other countries to fly in thier countries.... With 80% of the air commerce in the US, we have too much too offer and the rest of the world, too little....

I use the martime industry....

How many US Ship captains are there? How many US registered ships are there?

The terrorist threat may limit foriegn pilots for a while....

Publishers?

 

[Rick1128]

Acmi

Publisher,

When you state the companies like Atlas, Evergreen and the like do not take any risk by not holding themselves out into the retail market. These companies have taken note of those companies that have held themselves out, like Airborne, Purolator, DHL, etc and have seen them clobbered by FEDEX and UPS. These companies understand the factors of economy of scale and market share. And realize that they can not compete with FEDEX or UPS. Instead they hold themselves out in a different market the ACMI market where the risks can be as great or greater than the retail market. These companies have their own markets which they kep trying to expand. Sometimes making it. Sometimes not.

 

[Huck]

What about that there residency requirement to haul postal freight?

Though any law is subject to be overturned....

 

[Publishers]

Thank you Rick-- I was head of sales and marketing at EIA in the late 80's/ I know the difference and it is one between retail and capital risk where you at least have the asset. Unlike Airborne for example, they do not worry about ground delivery and all the other aspects of the retail business.

They make their money by investing in the iron and having someone else pay them to sub service.

My point was merely that these are different businesses and the same rules or nature of business need to be addressed differently.

 

[freightdogfred]

In 1995 a company named Cathay Pacific hired pilots outside their system seniority list to fly their freighters. Cathay used an organization named UPAS to recruit lower paid pilots. Most were American. UPAS was owned by another American organization called ALPA.

Cabotoge, for FedEx pilots, would be a great step forward. Not the party line at ALPA, but great for us. Sorry I don't trust you because you have no idea.

I don't have a idea?? Methinks you are the one who is clueless....Even your fearless leader Duane Woerth-less has recognized the danger of US flying being outsourced. The IPA (Do an Internet search to figure out who THEY are) have already seen a Chinese airline flying their freight thru ANC to their hub, under the cover of darkness.

My job flying freight at an ALPA airline has already been outsourced, so I don't really give a $hit.

 

[FreightNazi]

I don't have a idea?? Methinks you are the one who is clueless....Even your fearless leader Duane Woerth-less has recognized the danger of US flying being outsourced. The IPA (Do an Internet search to figure out who THEY are) have already seen a Chinese airline flying their freight thru ANC to their hub, under the cover of darkness.

My job flying freight at an ALPA airline has already been outsourced, so I don't really give a $hit.

Actually China airlines flies ANC-BNA carrying Dell computers. The deal was set up by UPS Supply Chain Solutions. You are incorrect in stating that China airlines flies to one of our "hubs".

Our next negotiation session will deal with scope issues. You can be sure that this specific issue and others ( Menlo ) will be brought up.

 

[Publishers]

As pointed out in an earlier thread about the China Airlnes flights, Supply Chain Solutions serves as an arranger and the flights are really not UPS "product".

At Evergreen many years ago, Sun Microsystems did the same thing and that flight was arranged through a freight forwarder in SFO.

One thing that needs to be realized is that if you take the FEDEX overnight package and convert it to aircraft weight, you have very high yield flights.

At Menlo and UPS, much of the freight is low yield heavy freight at $.50lb or less.

 

[Ligeirinho]

Hey Av8or,
Who told you those foreign pilots are not well trained?
I've been flying in USA now for 5 years there is no such an easiest place to fly than here what that means?
It means pilots here have no experience or skills to fly anywhere else.
I've been flying with people here that has no clue about what a really bad wheater is and you flying into it.
I've also been flying with a lot of poeple who never even heard about VDF and when I explain them they get so surprise such a thing exist and still a form of navigation in several parts of the globe.
So Rez O is right and people like me with more than just an american citizenship will have good times getting a job on this new cabotage deal than americans like you that still think war is nice let's kick some a..
Busch is an i.... and he is only taking care of his retirement he doesn't even care about the who was responsible for the 9/11, yep been laden not only still at large as also he is in Saudi Arabia and neither Bush or the arabian shakes has interest in arrest him. If you doubt me just call his wife in Saudi arabia her phone is public as is also his sons and family whereabouts.
Impeach Busch is the only wise decision.

 

[inline]

Hey Av8or,
Who told you those foreign pilots are not well trained?
I've been flying in USA now for 5 years there is no such an easiest place to fly than here what that means?
It means pilots here have no experience or skills to fly anywhere else.
I've been flying with people here that has no clue about what a really bad wheater is and you flying into it.
I've also been flying with a lot of poeple who never even heardaboutVDF and when I explain them they get so surprise such a thingexist andstill a form of navigation in several parts of the globe.
So Rez O is right and people like me with more than just anamericancitizenship will have good times getting a job on this newcabotagedeal than americans like you that still think war is nice let'skicksome a..
Busch is an i.... and he is only taking care of his retirementhedoesn't even care about the who was responsible for the 9/11, yepbeenladen not only still at large as also he is in Saudi Arabia andneitherBush or the arabian shakes has interest in arrest him. If youdoubt mejust call his wife in Saudi arabia her phone is public as isalso hissons and family whereabouts.
Impeach Busch is the only wise decision.

You've been watching to many Michael Moore movies.
You should kiss the ground every day for having the privilege to workin the U.S. And by the way, you need to invest in a dictionary.

 

[Princedietrich]

I think they ask all those questions because they wonder why on God's green earth would we load a plane in the rain and get soak and wet on a dark dreary ramp in the middle of night and fight all kinds of weather known to man... I have one answer to their question,... "chicks dig it!"

No they don't bro, I've never gotten any tail for saying "hey baby, I'm a freight dog."

It's a nice thought tho.