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The Slink wrote:
Since everyone knows me as slinky I am probably going to catch a load of C^@P for this at the fancy moose tonight.......bummer

Slinky

And you will deserve it!! Thanks for setting the record straight!
 
Thanks for the info you guys.

Question: Are those 7 day trips back to back? In other words, can you bid to work 14 days in a row and have 14 days off in a row?

thanks!
 
Whistlin' Dan said:
"One man's ceiling is another man's floor..."

Unfortunately, the phrase "focusing on core competencies," at least when spoken by some management-puke, means outsourcing jobs to the lowest bidder. Whenever I hear it, I just want to $hit, because if a company like Korean AIRLINES or Northwest AIRLINES doesn't consider the operation and maintenance of airline-transport category airplanes a "core competency" then just what the he11 ARE their core competencies?

(OK, I know. It's marketing. But just for the sake of discussion...)

In other words, what management considers "focus on core competencies" is really another term for a "race to the bottom," with the "winner" of the race being the company (and employee group) who's the best at losing. But that's not the employee's fault. We all gotta eat, and if FedEx or UPS won't invite us to their table, we'll go where we have to to get something into our bellies.

To a regional guy operating 5-7 legs a day, C360 looks like a good deal. To a FedEx guy, it sucks. But then, to a newly-minted oral surgeon or orthodondist, flying for ANY major carrier (being gone 12-15 days a month and waiting 10 years to make any serious dough) seems like a sucky deal.

If the guys at C360 are happy with what their making, I'm happy for them. It still beats handing out refrigerator magnets...
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Damn, well said dude:beer:
 
slinky said:
Our outfit is one year old. We are working on QOL issues every day. The Chief Pilot and the VP of flight Ops are great guys who are working hard to make life better here. Yes, we are an ACMI outfit. The real question is: How many people left FED Ex, UPS or southwest in the first couple years because it "was a bottom feeder?"

The guys working here are great. We have a new COO and things are moving in the right direction.

To answer a couple guys questions:

We operate 3 classic 74's ACMI for Korean
We fly JFK, ORD, LAX, ANC and ICN
Occasionally we hit ATL, and DFW

There are 2 BCF 400's showing up next year.

We get a company paid ticket to and from work with a hotel room on each end.

Trips tend to average 7-9 days long. Occasionally longer, sometimes shorter.

I have averaged 16-18 days out a month. Company average is probably 14-18 a month....I am guessing here.

Our pilot cadre is very good. Yes, we have mostly ex-Delta captains. This was a very good deal for us because we set a very high level of professionalism quickly in the company. The FO's are mostly ex military guys with heavy fixed wing jet experience. There are some civilian pilots in the FO group but these guys were very experienced guys with 74 backgrounds.

Thanks to the guys who are keeping threads on this board professional. I normally do not post on these boards but some guys just seem to want to post incorrect and hateful stuff for the sole purpose of doing so.

Since everyone knows me as slinky I am probably going to catch a load of C^@P for this at the fancy moose tonight.......bummer

Slinky
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Do you have to have someone "internal" hand in your stuff? Do you have to have HEAVY experience before they will even LOOK at you? Thanks Slinky!:D
 
Tomct said:
Do you have to have someone "internal" hand in your stuff? Do you have to have HEAVY experience before they will even LOOK at you? Thanks Slinky!:D
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#1 Really helps.... Obviously guys with internal rec's are looked at closely

#2 No. We have some guys with no heavy experience. Those guys are typically regional capt's with a couple thousand hours of pic jet.

slinky
 
slinky said:
#1 Really helps.... Obviously guys with internal rec's are looked at closely

#2 No. We have some guys with no heavy experience. Those guys are typically regional capt's with a couple thousand hours of pic jet.

slinky
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Thanks:cool:
 
Some of you may know me, but slinky I won't be giving you any S@#$ at the moose. I left a very stable regional after 8 years, 5 and a half as a Captain with about 2800 TPIC. A regional schedule is always going to be just that crappy. Yes we are new with a lot of holes to fill, but we are filling them pretty fast. I am usually out 9 days off 8 to 14 and then back out again. We are owned by Oakhill capital a small and insignificant player in the private equity sector :laugh: look them up at www.oakhillcapital.com. Once you have done that you can decide if our financing is legit. People take risks for different reason and my family and I decided this was a good risk to take.
For you who overnight in ANC stop by the fancy moose and we will be glad to talk to you about the company.
 
they pay for you to get to training, the hotel, $500 per week, per diem at training I think $24 per day. When you hit OE you start hourly, $67.50. You get to keep the mileage and depending on the hotel you keep the points.
 
unwashed said:
they pay for you to get to training, the hotel, $500 per week, per diem at training I think $24 per day. When you hit OE you start hourly, $67.50. You get to keep the mileage and depending on the hotel you keep the points.
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Thanks Unwashed...you have given me GREAT info. I hope that I hear something SOON!:cool:
 
Having trouble getting ANY info from their website. The backround comes up fine but it's just a blank red screen with an icon in the upper left corner. Anybody got a better link or an email address/fax number to send resumes to? Thanks in advance.
 
unwashed said:
they pay for you to get to training, the hotel, $500 per week, per diem at training I think $24 per day. When you hit OE you start hourly, $67.50. You get to keep the mileage and depending on the hotel you keep the points.
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When will you get over to the FO seat, and do they have good productive trips?
 
hdodo, you may have to set you cookies to allow the site to open.

the trips for the most part are productive you always end up with a few that aren't

My trip
day 1 DH JFK
day 2 JFK-ANC
day 3 ANC-ORD
day 4 ORD-ANC
day 5 off (going fishing for king's)
day 6 ANC-ORD
day 7 ORD_ANC
day 8 ANC-JFK
day 9 DH SEA Home
 
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I have seen that the only domicile listes is SEA, do all the company pilots live there or you guys have some pilots that commute. I have been thinking about applying but a commute from South Florida can be kind of troublesome.
 
They pay for your ticket no matter where you live. We have many people in the southeast, Atlanta, Tampa, Jacksonville to name a few.
 
We have a couple of guys who live there and they start their trips from LA. Same with New York, Chitown, or ANC.
 
Medical Coverage Info

Unwashed-Any C360 folks,

Any idea how much family medical coverage would be? Thanks for all the info so far, very informative thread.
 
For my wife and I it is about 180 per month. I am can only guess that kids would add maybe another hundred or so? The plan is blue cross premeria. Actually very very good.
 
$243.58 per month includes dental, vision, small life insurance policy, and health, for a family of four.

Delta Dental
VSP for vision
Premera Blue Cross health.

Its good coverage. Our first was born under that program with my wifes work and we paid about 1000 out of a 28000 dollar bill. Previous company was GreatWest and was also a good insurance program. I think a few of the military guys are in it because it is great coverage. Got to go I hear the fish calling my name. :D
 
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1900heavy said:
Do you guys ever layover in L.A.? If you do, how often?
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We're usually in L.A. three nights a week, but it's not exactly a layover, unless you count three hours of "rest" in the Hacienda before your commute home as a layover. It's only 5 hours block to/from ANC, so if it's not the start/end of your trip, you're probably on a turn, or a least a DH. LAX, ORD, and JFK tend to be injection points, with the vast majority of the layovers happening in ANC and to a slightly lesser extent ICN. ANC-LAX-ANC and ANC-ORD-ANC are very common, especially for American FE's, as the ex-KAL PFE's can only fly the ICN-ANC route.

As my big buddy "unwashed" said, we're for all intents and purposes home-based, with a confirmed ticket to/from each trip and the hotel. Typically, the east-coasters will commute to JFK and the Seattle / Portland crowd starts and stops at LAX, with ORD balancing out the load.

There is no bidding per se. We just don't have the aircraft and schedule flexibility right now to run a real bid system. There are fairly standard rotations, but they occasionally flex to accommodate KAL's desires. We bid days off instead, which seems to be working out pretty well for me, but as a fresh-from-the-military guy, I don't have much of a basis of comparison. I can say that I got Thanksgiving and Christmas off last year, and the only reason I worked New Year's is because I didn't ask not to. (I flew over Halloween, too, but made the best of it, surprising the soon-to-be new Chief Pilot by coming forward from the darkened crew rest area wearing a "Scream" mask and black robe while carrying a plastic dagger--so much for air cargo security.) It's pretty easy to juggle a military reserve job at this company (and I commute to both), and the schedulers work with you.

You've got to give them 20 days of availability during a calendar month to earn the 60 hour guarantee. Typically, you'll get two 7 day trips (with a half-day commute on each end), but sometimes maybe just a single 10-day'er. Once the schedule's written, your non-scheduled days are yours too, although there is a system in place to match crews with unanticipated flying, but it's pretty fair overall, and things have been running pretty much according to schedule lately. Utilization averages about 5.5 hours per day for front-seaters and about 5.0 for the American FE's. I wouldn't count on blasting the guarantee out of the water every month, but you can ask to fly extra if you want, and 20 days will almost certainly yield 80+ hours.

For those asking about flight time requirements, I'd say you could characterize that as flexible. Other than the ex-Delta captain cadre, not many of us had the official published mins of 1,000 PIC and 3,000 total time in aircraft over 100,000 lbs. (I had 400 PIC and 1,200 total in heavies, with around 1,300 PIC and 2,500 total time, all mil turbine.) What we did have were connections to the guys starting this outfit, usually by two degrees of separation or less. Like Slink said, the few non-Delta, non-military guys here are mostly small- / mid-size jet captains with upwards of 5,000 TT. We have at least one pilot FE with no jet time at all (but oodles of multi-turboprop experience) who will be upgrading to FO in the fall, so again, it varies. Several of us have turned down employment offers or recalls at major or national airlines, and one has left, quite understandably, for UPS, so you really can't characterize this group of FO's as low-time or under-qualified. We've got choices, and, by and large, we stay for the intangibles, some of which are common across the air cargo industry while others seem to be unique to this company.

For example, one of the biggest benefits of working here is the people. Again, I've got no basis for comparison, but I've been told that it's pretty rare in today's airline industry for *every* single pilot laying over in Anchorage to show up at the hotel bar *every* night at the same time to drink, socialize, and have dinner together. Seems normal to me, though, because it's got a squadron feel to it.

And that's why--although we do have a few folks here that were hired out of the blue--most had at least one internal recommendation. (And the ones that didn't know anybody seem fit in just fine, so chalk that up to good interviewing.) So I'd say they're looking for people who excelled at whatever it was they were doing before, moreso than judging them based upon their equipment type or total time. If you're a good dude with a sense of humor and a thick skin who knows how to work and play hard, you probably pass the personality phase of the interview. You had probably better have at least two references from your previous life who think you're the $#!+, though, since that's what I've said about the guys I've recommended since I've been here, and that's likely what you'll be up against.

Anyway, before I start to sound like a cheerleader (and those of you who work with me know I'm far from it), I'd better get my own butt back down to The Moose--tomorrow's my day off. I would like to add, however, a point that never got rebutted from a page or so ago. We're not flying any cargo for NWA, just using their ramp and push crews to gas and go in ANC under Korean's contract, so don't worry Cobraair75drvr, we won't be racing you guys to the bottom anytime soon. ;) And, since anyone who's seen KAL's cargo operation in Incheon can attest that they've got more freight to move than they could possibly handle, our competition is more along the lines of Southern Air, but it's not so much about underbidding as it is outperforming.

For those concerned that we are helping to lower the collective bar with the compensation package, have a little patience and reevaluate things in a year or two. As someone said in another thread (I think on APC), FedEx, UPS, and Southwest were probably considered "bottom-feeders" at one time as well. For now, the package is competitive enough with our peers in years 1-3, and we're making inroads every day and winning small battles as the company grows and prospers and continues to recognize the contribution that its group of professional aviators are making toward its success. Sure, we wouldn't be a proper pilot group if we didn't think we deserved six-figure compensation for 10 days on the road every month, but it's not something you attain overnight from a startup.
 
Do you folks have any international flying or are all of your routes domestic?
 
We are an ACMI carrier for KAL. All flights originate in ICN with a tech stop in ANC. Our 3 main US destinations are JFK, ORD, and LAX with one weekly trip to DFW. They go back to ICN via ANC
 

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