Captains who don't respect their F/O's

[waveflyer]

most pilots who have trouble w/ uppity FO's are really not that good- they just happen to be captains and not in a position to receive too many critiques. Someone told me this a long time ago- you have a "problem" FO now and then, ok- but if you're having them a lot- you're the problem. if you're a good leader- part of that is sizing up your FO -and getting the best out of them.

I will also say- that it is a good system where we are students, then instructors- then FO's, and Captains- then FO's again... it really is important to keep this gig in perspective. It's tough that those captains at "regionals" who choose to stay there might have upgraded quickly- and have never moved on and had the pleasure of pulling gear again- i've run across many that are fantastic- but others who've obviously forgot what it was like to be the chameleon. (Happens at the majors too, depending on what part of the hiring wave you get in on)

Just the attitude of "FO needs to stand down" doesn't seem like good leadership or advocacy. The idea is to teach them to be captains... which doesn't mean- "look at me, one day do like i do now"- it's more like- size them up- and give them captain tasks that they can handle-(which might mean *gasp!* you might have to take over some walk-arounds and FO tasks) and let the situations teach- especially as they get more experience or closer to upgrade.

FO's too- if you're good- there are few that you can't win over- the only problem is if you're real sensitive in the Ego area...

 

[Kip Dynomite]

I have always been an Assh-le FO, and would be one forever(because it's fun), but THEY have made me upgrade. So now i'm a sensitive captain. Hopefully the flight attendents won't read my post cause I'll cry...then it'll be my turn to wipe down the lav.

 

[BLing]

The best CA's I have flown with are one of two types:

1. One who views FO's as future CA's and puts them into a leadership position from the right seat.

2. Piece of crap CA who cant do anything right who indirectly forces the FO to step into a leadership position.

I have learned the most from both types... My upgrade is just around the corner (pending contract negotiations...) and I choose to be CA #1.

As for the CA's who give no respect to their FO's... From my experience, They suck as pilots and people in general! They are afraid of flying and deep down lack the confidence to do the job. So they put up a front by bashing others. Ive done my research on the few that I've had... They are all company/training department nightmares...

 

[Kip Dynomite]

To the above…You my man, (or woman, I’m not sexist. He might not be a man, women wear bling too) need to be a psychologist. School is expensive…take out a loan. From experience I can tell you FO pay can’t pay for groceries and school. I lived in a basement for 3 years (yes, it was owned by my mom).

 

[No.W.]

Only trouble I've had is really senior FO's. It's not that they don't know more about the specific area they are flying in(usually this occurs in the smaller western bases)...they do. I utilize that knowledge. The problem is when I ask them for advice about a given item and they assume they now have command and sort of "take over". This has only happened a couple of times. Other than that...I've not had one problem with my FOs; even when they wear sunglasses on their head or have spiked and gelled hair.

 

[Metro752]

The best CA's I have flown with are one of two types:

1. One who views FO's as future CA's and puts them into a leadership position from the right seat.

2. Piece of crap CA who cant do anything right who indirectly forces the FO to step into a leadership position.

I have learned the most from both types... My upgrade is just around the corner (pending contract negotiations...) and I choose to be CA #1.

As for the CA's who give no respect to their FO's... From my experience, They suck as pilots and people in general! They are afraid of flying and deep down lack the confidence to do the job. So they put up a front by bashing others. Ive done my research on the few that I've had... They are all company/training department nightmares...

With you 100%! Morons who fly the airplane the way they somehow reason, is safer than how the company says to fly it, and their method is actually unsafe, and much worse. Cowboy captains as well. Not just jerks, real cowboy wannabes.

 

[BrickTop]

I love how having sunglasses on your head automatically means that you are cocky arrogant and have no knowledge. I see senior captains walk through the airport that are overweight, wrinkled shirt and a 20 year old bag but that does not mean i automatically lose respect for him. Since when did people get so bent out of shape with the whole sunglasses thing. I think the people worrying about other peoples choice of where to put their eyewear should spend more worrying about themselves. Who the F**k cares for cryin out loud!!!

I will not discount the lack of attitude on the left side either to be unbiased. Its a problem across the board with this generation of pilots. Attitude is everything regarding. The lack of care of the uniform by a senior CPT is as distastelful as the sunglasses on any ranked employee.

 

[waveflyer]

Only trouble I've had is really senior FO's. It's not that they don't know more about the specific area they are flying in(usually this occurs in the smaller western bases)...they do. I utilize that knowledge. The problem is when I ask them for advice about a given item and they assume they now have command and sort of "take over". This has only happened a couple of times. Other than that...I've not had one problem with my FOs; even when they wear sunglasses on their head or have spiked and gelled hair.

That's one of the subtleties- how to get experience w/o letting them take over.

 

[Snapperhead]

I see senior captains walk through the airport that are overweight, wrinkled shirt and a 20 year old bag but that does not mean i automatically lose respect for him. /quote]

I thought the goal was to keep the brain bag as long as possible. Mine has lasted me 8 years now, and I hope I never have to buy a new one. Sorry to hijack the thread.

 

[Flyer1015]

This thread is hilarious, keep 'em coming!

 

[Flybywire44]

Why do Captains need to "respect" FOs? Thats why we have CRM. LoL.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
I inspect the f/os on every trip, I check their certificates, jepp updates, shoe shine through their hat condition, god help the f/o who shows up with a non spit shined shoe...wait ,respect? Nevermind!
PBR

 

[BigPappa]

If you are a good leader you will gain your FO's respect, and not demand it while you act like an arrogant person. Big part of that is also knowledge and skill. If you don't have those two then you will be walked on. Try not to reinvent the wheel; just do your job properly (procedures are there for a reason). Read some books about effective leadership. When I was an FO I flew with an individual who was so scared of the airplane that it was hard for me to respect him. He would not let his FO's (all of them) fly to the outstations. In this individuals' case it was a lack of confidence in his own skills and also lack of knowledge (should mention that the guy was a nice guy). Captains also remember to be approachable, and learn some people skills which will help you in the cockpit and also in LIFE.

Just my .02

 

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[BOX OFFICE]

I think every crew member needs to earn the respect of their peers by being competent, mature, and professional.

 

[Mike man]

Actually, I was listening to i iPod. Who cares, exactly?

Exactly!

 

[Max Q]

Exactly!

Exactly.

Box Office: Are you single?

-Brett

 

[Longhorn]

hahahaha....well that did not take long.

 

[acaTerry]

Wow a pilot who can talk and fly...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: YES!!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Box Office: Are you single?

-Brett

Lol, I'm not in the habit of picking up guys on message boards, but I'm flattered anyhow, baby!