Cape Air Washout Rate......High

[rway36]

Just wondering why the washout rate has been so high the last few classes to go through at Cape Air. Is it the training departments normal way there or the quality of the new hires.

PM if you wish

Sounds like not such a bad gig

 

[FN FAL]

Did you hear the one about the chicken farmer that thought he was a super hero because he had a cape on?

 

[CapnVegetto]

Probably because there is no 'Cape Air Academy'!!

$100K for 200 hours of PIC in a 402!!!! Wow!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[cforst513]

Probably because there is no 'Cape Air Academy'!!

$100K for 200 hours of PIC in a 402!!!! Wow!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

dude, it's only $100K? sign me up!!!

 

[BRA]

I would guess that kind of flying is very demanding. They are making you a PIC with people on board after that training with no FO to help you with radios or checklists. All hand flying. They are not just trying to get a body in the seat like at regionals or other places. People at the regionals know that people are sitting in RJs that should not have really made it through the training. They just made it far enough where the training department figured they would pick up the rest online. At cape air, they really can't just hope the pilot picks up the rest on the line.

 

[threegreen]

Because 1200hr pilots are not the s-hot aces some of us think we are. Saying 'right rudder' and being pic of a 402 in real weather and real conditions are two totally different things.

 

[rway36]

Bra

Good to see you came out of your hole. We have not heard from you for awhile.

Would love to here from some Cape Air people

 

[BenderGonzales]

or even "hear"

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

Hahahahahahaha

 

[shamrock]

All hand flying. /quote]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they do have an autopilot.

I was thinking of giving them a shot after ASA goes away, but I think I'll skip that if it really is all hand flying. After almost 4 years in a RJ, I'm just not that good.

 

[wheelsup]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they do have an autopilot.

I was thinking of giving them a shot after ASA goes away, but I think I'll skip that if it really is all hand flying. After almost 4 years in a RJ, I'm just not that good.

I believe they must have a working autopilot OR an SIC to fly pax. Most of the time it's an autopilot, but I have known a few select people who were hired there as standby sic's - they were ramp workers though as well.

~wheelsup

 

[BRA]

Good to see you came out of your hole. We have not heard from you for awhile.

Would love to here from some Cape Air people

I'm around, i typically post crap though rather than educational info someone could use. I probably make one good post for every 4 that are straight crap. I'm gonna go look over the colgan threads now, and access my options regarding what kind of crap I can add to them. Out.

 

[Visceral]

I probably make one good post for every 4 that are straight crap.

I'd call it 1 out of 10, but who is counting. imp:

 

[BRA]

I'd call it 1 out of 10, but who is counting. imp:

yeah that's cool.

 

[chperplt]

I'd call it 1 out of 10, but who is counting. imp:

I was going to say.... 1 in 4... No way!!

 

[BigPappa]

Dude, give me a break! I've flown the 402 and there is absolutely nothing difficult about flying it. Quit bashing the rjs I've flown a 737 and can tell you that landing the CRJ on a 4500' strip is a whole lot more demanding than flying your routine 737 trips and landing on long (6000'+) runways!

 

[Care269]

The Cape Air Training is hard core!!! Evan Cushings has done a fine job of revamping the process. It's a relatively short program (2 weeks), and you have a lot to learn. There are daily written exams and a final. The flight training is divided between a sim and the aircraft. The sim is mostly used to learn the flows and remind pilots on how to fly an ADF hold and approach (a highly vakued skill at Cape). The training is demanding but I do know of at least one lawyer who has gotten through it.

 

[AutoBus]

Just wondering why the washout rate has been so high the last few classes to go through at Cape Air. Is it the training departments normal way there or the quality of the new hires.

PM if you wish

Sounds like not such a bad gig

commuter flying in a light piston twin, single pilot IFR is the toughest job I ever had. I'm glad I did it, learned alot, I would not choose to do it again.

It's not a low time pilot job, but because of the pay that's all they can get.

Good luck, be carefull

 

[climbhappy]

chperplt:

i'm concerned. the avatar's gone....all the flight time....

put the "cosmo" back. i liked that one.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Hell, I used to fly on them sometimes in the Carribbean. I remember being in a full 402, with lotsa folks on board. We take off out of TISX, and are creeping up at a climb rate of about 500 fpm. I remember looking down at the ocean, looking at the climb perfomance thinking, holy $hit.....if we lose an engine we are for sure swimming with the sharkys!!!!

 

[say again]

remind pilots on how to fly an ADF hold and approach (a highly vakued skill at Cape).

OK, there's the kicker, Im out!!!!!:laugh: :beer: I didn't think they were still around.

 

[chperplt]

chperplt:

i'm concerned. the avatar's gone....all the flight time....

put the "cosmo" back. i liked that one.

I'm not a regular here anymore so I took it all down... Cosmo was my favorite though!!


I think the big issue with Cape Air is the type of flying they are expected to do. Cape approach almost always calls ACK and the Vinyard 1800 rvr when we all know it's not....

 

[CASA212pilot]

If you don't have a solid IFR scan and are unable to multi task, then there is a good chance you will wash out of training at Cape Air.

I found that a lot of pilots would wash out during IOE.

Although they could fly the plane, they could not Aviate, navigate, comunicate, make good decisions, make nice nice with the passnegers, and call for fuel while on final into Logan when the ILS 4r is at 1800rvr and blowing all at the same time.

The 402 is required to have an autopilot per FAR's.

When they break, you get an F/O.

 

[Fred Rogers]

If the 402 flying is too demanding for you I hear you can fly an ATR in Guam for Cape Air under Coex. I also hear that it's a great party for those who live there and do it.. any thoughts from the Cape Air crowd?

 

[BRA]

I was going to say.... 1 in 4... No way!!

Yeah, lick my balls. You are supposed to be looking for my check stub in vegas! Did you find it?

 

[chperplt]

Yeah, lick my balls. You are supposed to be looking for my check stub in vegas! Did you find it?

Actually, I did look. You were never LAS based (outside of training) so you don't have a file in ops..

 

[Milton Waddams]

I heard that they do everything possible to get new hires through. But egos get in the way

 

[BRA]

Actually, I did look. You were never LAS based (outside of training) so you don't have a file in ops..

-when all conventional means of getting your point across fail, go to the hammer, "Lick my balls"

 

[00Dog]

I heard that they do everything possible to get new hires through. But egos get in the way

I believe you hit the nail on the head.

 

[barnyard]

Must not have been able to memorize exactly how many VG's are on the 402, cuz thats like Mocha important.