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Question... if as Jerry says is true and the 50's are no longer profitable, and skywest/asa is/are limited on 70/90's then why aren't they beating down the door of canadair to swap out 50's for Q's? We all know canadair is fully subsidized by the canadian government and has the luxury of operating at a loss into perpetuity. Why not trade unprofitiable 50's for 400's or tell them to start making 50 seat turbo props again? The canadians get jobs building those things and we get profitable aircraft?

or why we didnt get a boatload of ATR 500's.
 

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Question... if as Jerry says is true and the 50's are no longer profitable, and skywest/asa is/are limited on 70/90's then why aren't they beating down the door of canadair to swap out 50's for Q's? We all know canadair is fully subsidized by the canadian government and has the luxury of operating at a loss into perpetuity. Why not trade unprofitiable 50's for 400's or tell them to start making 50 seat turbo props again? The canadians get jobs building those things and we get profitable aircraft?

or why we didnt get a boatload of ATR 500's.
You can't trade a 50 seat RJ for a Q400. Q400 is valued a bunch higher then a CRJ.
Matter a fact right now you can't trade a 50 seat RJ for nothing.


ATR 600's look like nice birds and are about 10 million dollars cheaper then the Q400.
http://www.atraircraft.com/public/a...96&PHPSESSID=3b2ef5779ccc895754560591a5875c49
 

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SH stated in a RGT class awhile ago that this is the bird ASA would get (ATR)if there was another Turboprop at ASA. It's already on the certificate so the time it would take to get it rolling is minimal compared to anything else.

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SH has said alot of things in recurrent class. Has even 50% of it been true?

Delta does not like turbo props. The ones they just acquired will be going away.
 

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FWIW Aviation International News just had a short article on the ATR600. says they are getting ready to go on a US sales tour.
 

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Hey trojan, change your T-shirt willya! ;) :D

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You can't trade a 50 seat RJ for a Q400. Q400 is valued a bunch higher then a CRJ.
Matter a fact right now you can't trade a 50 seat RJ for nothing.


ATR 600's look like nice birds and are about 10 million dollars cheaper then the Q400.
http://www.atraircraft.com/public/a...96&PHPSESSID=3b2ef5779ccc895754560591a5875c49
The 600's look nice, but doesn't bombardier own the Q400 now? that is why i said they would trade them for 50's. Canada subsidizes this company so if they take a loss it doesnt matter because the company exists just to have jobs.

Just seems that if we can get 33% more seats per segment and get an even swap, then why not.
 

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Jerry hasn't said as to whether Skywest/ASA will buy them but he has said that the new Bombardier C series would be the perfect plane to have. He also said that Bombardier was planning on cancelling the program a couple of years ago but he and 3 other airline executives (he didnt say who they were) talked Bombardier out of doing that. Hmmm! Why would they do that?
 
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If your only going to put 30-50 people on an airplane the 50 seater is more efficient than the 70-90 seaters.
The people saying the 200's aren't efficient and cost too much are the ones that made the initial purchase in the first place. And if they made such a poor decision then don't you think they should be fired?
 

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If your only going to put 30-50 people on an airplane the 50 seater is more efficient than the 70-90 seaters.
The people saying the 200's aren't efficient and cost too much are the ones that made the initial purchase in the first place. And if they made such a poor decision then don't you think they should be fired?
Maybe so, but if canadair doesnt have to make a profit and can even operate at a loss, then why not dump the 50's and get C series or Q400's. That would give lots of canadians jobs and get us a more profitable aircraft
 

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The 600's look nice, but doesn't bombardier own the Q400 now? that is why i said they would trade them for 50's. Canada subsidizes this company so if they take a loss it doesnt matter because the company exists just to have jobs.

Just seems that if we can get 33% more seats per segment and get an even swap, then why not.
Good thing that does not happen in the US (GM). I would hate for our government to step in and save failing companies because it would cost tens of thousands of US jobs (banking, auto industry, finance industry, health care etc.)
 

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Maybe so, but if canadair doesnt have to make a profit and can even operate at a loss, then why not dump the 50's and get C series or Q400's. That would give lots of canadians jobs and get us a more profitable aircraft
You do realize that Skywest doesn't get to decide what airplanes they fly, right? Carriers like ours work on a contract that dictates what we fly and where we fly them. If Delta wanted to dump 50-seaters in exchange for t-props I'm sure they would do it. Getting back to reality though, Delta has long shown its distaste for t-props and I wouldn't expect to see any kind of revival of that mode of transportation until oil is back at $150/barrel for an extended period of time.
 

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ATR came to Skywest to give them rides and propose sales, but the performance of the ATR offered was not to par I heard. This was about a year ago, and I do not think the 600 was in existence then.
 

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No problem, you have to hop off your sister first! ;-)

Roll OVER tide!

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Hey! Leave sis outa this willya! You know who put me up to that right? (hint JD)....lol

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I thought I had read an article a while back about ATR and Q400 production lines being completely maxed out with a/c already sold for the next couple of years. Googled it but couldn't find that article again. Anybody know?
 

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SH has said alot of things in recurrent class. Has even 50% of it been true?

Delta does not like turbo props. The ones they just acquired will be going away.
I'll second that!
-Nobody should pay SH even the least bit of attention. That guy just makes me want to hurl! SH is all about SH, and doesn't give a rat about anyone else! What an assbag! I sure will be happy to see him hit the bricks one day (hopefully soon.)

I am so sick of SH coming to recurrent and spewing stuff he knows nobody buys! What a tool!
 

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