Can You believe this!!

[marqmarq]

Just a question

...this is from a position of ignorance, is the (alleged) infraction comitted by FLOPs based soley on the fact that there is an association between the terminated pilots and union development or.... is it the fact that they were terminated without a specified cause? I'm trying to understand the legal protections accorded an (at will/non-union) employee.... Does the size of the company come into the equation? Thanx

 

[Aspiring to be]

OK, I will make one last comment. The state of Ohio is an at-will State, which really means they need no real reason to terminate you. This case was in violation of the RLA, which gives every employee the right to organize in a union. Management should remain neutral but they cannot terminate you and of course, that is exactly what they did in this case. Therefore, in this case the protection of those terminated comes from Federal law.

I have read the depositions from the management of FLOPS including that of Ricci. The management of FLOPS in their deposition leave no room for doubt as to the reason these people were terminated.

The 800xp fleet manager from RTA and he was the program manager at FLOPS until he gave his deposition. He was sent home and his position, if any, with FLOPS is not known at this time. Management at FLOPS has said they will let him know. He did testify that he was the direct supervisor for those terminated at RTA and that they were all what the he wanted in a PIC. He stated that he never had any trouble with any of them in any way. He saw their names on a black list. The two assistant chief pilots at RTA and a manager of scheduling made up or contributed to the black list. Both assistant chief pilots are now program managers at FLOPS. The Chief Pilot from RTA and now 135 Chief Pilot at FLOPS at deposition said that those terminated were team players and that he had never had any trouble out of any of those terminated.

That is the truth. What you must understand that when you give a deposition it is sworn testimony. It is fact and cannot be changed. For those that doubt and what to protect those guilty at FLOPS please read the depositions. I do not care if you are for or against having a union how can anyone blame those that only acted within their rights. Truly my last statement.

 

[sky4]

ASSPIRING and CLIF

What do you two have to do with Flight Options? ASSPIRING, you have always posted negetive things about Options, you were obviously turned down by us and thank goodnes.

CLIF, you sound like your too old to WANT fly for us so whats your beef?

I had met a couple of these guys before the merger and they attacked us about union stuff and were very strong against Flight Options, I did not want them or anyone like them flying with me.

Fly Safe

 

[varicam]

I've got no dog in this fight, but the terms bandied about above (stupid, low, morons, idiots, etc.) appear to fit the writers of same far better than their intended target. Calling Aspiring names may make the writers feel better, but it's not very effective in nullifying the the document he/she posted.

Why is Clif too old for FO? Does he sound too mature and/or educated to fit in?

 

[hawkercpt]

I referred...

to Asspiring as an idiot because of his determination to drag Flight Options through the mud in a public forum. Whether the statements from management or the terminated employees is true is for each to form their own opinion. You have to understand, there is a great wall of contention at FLOPS on both sides of the union issue.
These employees were pro union. They were also coming to Flight Options with bad attitude because their Teamster drive at RTA failed. I am not management at Flops, quite far from it. I can tell you however, having heard from some of the individuals that were terminated, it wasn't a bad move on the company's part.

 

[SheGaveMeClap]

Hawkercpt. is right on the money. This ridiculus attempt to shame Options management is why he's being called all the appropriate names.

Asspiring, why is this such a big deal to you? Unless you are one of the pilots involved in the lawsuit (and I'm QUITE sure you are), why do you press this issue? Answer that one question for us. If you aren't involved in the lawsuit, I'm sure you were denied a job with us. That tells me one thing: Eric still knows how to weed out the bad guys. I doubt anyone could stand to take eight days of your IBT bullshat on the road. I know I couldn't.

In a search, you've been involved in 14 total threads. Five of those threads have been started by you in an attempt to cut on Options management, and/or talk IBT with those who are members. Good grief, when will you stop? I'm sure it's fun to ruffle feathers on this board, but you are getting what you deserve. And I'll keep it going. You are a pathetic pile of $hit.

 

[Grim Reaper]

Raytheon never settles. Raytheon will let this one run the whole nine yards. If Raytheon wins, its gonna suck to be them.

The motion for summary judgement will not stand the test.

A$ To Be in prematue in his glee.

 

[Cliff]

sky4:
My Beef?

Well, this is a bold blatant act of Discrimination.. What if they would not hire you because you don't like flying with "old guys"??
Now that's not fair is it?

hawkercpt:
The Mud/dragging..

Management-those professionals who should had know better- committed the act of dragging FLOPS through the mud when they chose to target a group of Professionals for termination who involved themselves in a belief which he did not agree with..
In short, anyone that agrees with this action by any corporation are bigots.. My opinion, My right under the 1st amendment!

I'm on your blacklist now, aren't I?

We as Americans do not have the right in a business- public or private- to blacklist anyone for their beliefs!! FLOPS should be ashamed!

grim reaper:
Raytheon?

Gotta disagree with you on the Raytheon statement..
They will not chance the negative publicity of a discrimination judgement against the company.. If Settled out of court, its a sealed judgement.. They are having enough trouble acquiring funds without this issue coming to light in the Wallstreet journal.. If this does go to trial a Jury would not be kind..

 

[Diesel]

I've got to wonder here why is it that aspiring to be is getting the crap kicked out of him.

There is no secret with the lawsuit going on. The information is public. This is a public forum. So who cares.

There is one thought here. The firings start with guys who are stirring up union support. Yet, where does it end. Maybe it goes to guys with bad attitudes, then maybe guys who are having bad days, then guys with brown hair, then red heads.

It's a slippery slope. That's why this has to be taken care of for EVERYONE's sake.

PS i've been meaning to write this for a couple of days but I haven't been able to log into a computer I trust.

 

[Grim Reaper]

The courts will provide the answer to your question soon enough. It will go to trial.

The plaintiffs have NOT received a judgement in their favor. The plaintiffs have file a MOTION and that is all for now.

 

[Diesel]

So your tune will change IF the finding is for the plantiffs? That's when you'll decide FLOPS was in the wrong?

 

[Grim Reaper]

And if FO wins, what will be the tune you sing?

 

[Diesel]

hey griz i'm going to go down to the north end tonight to start some lessons. The priest says miracles do happen but the red sox has a better chance at winning the world series.

 

[rettofly]

Re: ASSPIRING and CLIF

CLIF, you sound like your too old to fly for us so whats your beef? [/B]

Are you suggesting that FLOPS practices AGE discrimination? Maybe that explains why I haven't been called for an interview!.

 

[sky4]

AGE

I guess my post came off a little wrong, ASSpiring is who I really don't understand.

Cliff, I did not mean say anything about being too old and I am sorry I came off that way, I saw you were retired and just did not understand why you were even worried about this. I have flown with many older pilots and have learned much from them, we have lots at Options. I do understand your post and I understand what you said. I don't have a problem with fellow pilots wanting to bring in a union and I will not put them down for it, I don't think the IBT is right for us! I met a couple of these quys that were fired before the merger and they had a very bad attitude toward a company they did not know much about and they were downing my company to my face and I did not like that at all. I am very proud of Flight Options and very happy here and I have never been asked to do anything dangerous or illegal like these guys were saying. I also know if I went around complaning and talking bad about Options to everyone even owners, I would not be flying here for very long. I also know that if any Netjets pilots were doing that they would be sitting at home for quite a while.

Fly Safe