Can the ATN MEC forward any AIP?

[GuppyWN]

When we started taking delivery of the 717's, the Company found that they were 20-25%% more efficient than the DC9's they were replacing. That is when oil was $15./bbl. I don't think you are going to see SWA selling DAL the 717.

Regards,
TW

Kelly stated the 717 is roughly the same size and offers close to same economics as the 737-500s the carrier operates. However, he did highlight higher maintenance costs on the Rolls-Royce engines powering the 717s.
Rising fuel costs are also leading to some 717 markets operated by AirTran to become unsustainable, as evidenced by the carrier's decision to cut four markets that are all or partially served by 717s - Asheville, NC; Atlantic City, New Jersey; Moline, Illinois and Newport News, Virginia.
Underscoring that smaller-gauge aircraft are tough to operate in those markets as fuel costs climb, Kelly said in the long term he does not see the 717 playing a strategic role in Southwest's fleet.

Dunno but I'd say he's not in love with the 717.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

Dunno but I'd say he's not in love with the 717.

Gup

That's because he's never flown one . . . . . . With its 10G Pilot seats, Sheepskin upholstery, Rrrrriiichh Corinthian leather, and overhead "Mood Lighting", he will be soon be throwing hunks of blue lav ice at 737's . . . . . . even Canyon Blue ones.

PS., It has an "open mike" chime that keeps the accidental rants to a maximum of 2 minutes. :beer:

 

[ultrarunner]

...PS., It has an "open mike" chime that keeps the accidental rants to a maximum of 2 minutes. :beer:

"....Gays, Grannies and Grandes...."

THAT my friends is an ALL TIME CLASSIC!

 

[CTid]

PS., It has an "open mike" chime that keeps the accidental rants to a maximum of 2 minutes.

30 Sec.

 

[Ty Webb]

30 Sec.

Sorry, been 7 years . . . . Hell, I can barely find the clock in that thing.

 

[CTid]

It actualy cuts out not just warns u. Sometimes a pain on those full route clearances! After the Great Stuck Mike Incident, I actually had to ops check it personally since it aint written any where.

 

[mt2]

Two very key words being combination and integration. If Mr Kelly does neither then B/M wouldn't really apply, would it ?

You seriously need to READ Bond/McCaskill instead of parroting the crapola you hear in the bar on the layovers. I'll highlight the important parts for you (to simplify your attempt at comprehension):


SEC. 817. LABOR INTEGRATION.
(a) Labor Integration - With respect to any covered transaction involving a covered air carrier that results in the combination of crafts or classes that are subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.), sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by the Civil Aeronautics Board in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to the integration of covered employees of the covered air carrier; except that--
(1) if the same collective bargaining agent represents the combining crafts or classes at the covered air carrier, that collective bargaining agent's internal policies regarding integration, if any, will not be affected by and will supercede the requirements of this section; and
(2) the requirements of any collective bargaining agreement that may be applicable to the terms of integration involving covered employees of the covered air carrier shall also not be affected by and will supersede the requirements of this section, so long as those provisions supply at least the protections afforded by sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk provisions.
(b) Enforcement- Any labor organization that represents individuals that are aggrieved as a result of a violation of the labor protective provisions applied under subsection (a) may bring an action to enforce this section, or to enforce the terms of any award or agreement resulting from arbitration or a settlement relating to the requirements of this section. An action under this subsection shall be brought in an appropriate United States district court determined in accordance with section 1391 of title 28, United States Code, without regard tothe amount in controversy.
(c) Definitions- In this section, the following definitions apply:
(1) AIR CARRIER- The term `air carrier' means an air carrier that holds a certificate issued under chapter 411 of title 49, United States Code.
(2) COVERED AIR CARRIER- The term `covered air carrier' means an air carrier that is involved in a covered transaction.
(3) COVERED EMPLOYEE- The term `covered employee' means an employee who--
(A) is not a temporary employee; and
(B) is a member of a craft or class that is subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.).
(4) COVERED TRANSACTION- The term `covered transaction' means--
(A) a transaction for the combination of multiple air carriers into a single air carrier; and which
(B) involves the transfer of ownership or control of--
(i) 50 percent or more of the equity securities (as defined in section 101 of title 11, United States Code) of an air carrier; or
(ii) 50 percent or more (by value) of the assets of the air carrier.
(d) Application- This section shall not apply to any covered transaction involving a covered air carrier that took place before the date of enactment of this Act.


Get it yet? The God King's "desires" do not supersede U.S. law. Sorry, boys.

 

[Old School]

A major point that you are missing is that nowhere does it say that the two separate air carrier operations must be combined. It is at GK's discretion to do so.

 

[tzskipper]

A major point that you are missing is that nowhere does it say that the two separate air carrier operations must be combined. It is at GK's discretion to do so.

Just curious; is there language in the Swapa CBA that prevents the company (SWA) from purchasing another carrier and operating it separately? If GK does not merge the two, what prevents a potential whipsaw?

S

 

[shootr]

That language is in our CBA. If we wanted to, SWAPA and SWA could change the agreement to allow the alter ego with language similar to our current SL8 to protect us from whipsaw. Not palatable...but certaily possible.

 

[Fubijaakr]

You guys are dreaming. Would the God King be holding the big corporate Welcome Aboard party in ATL if he wasn't planning on combining the operations? And remember, its 50% of the ASSETS. Planes are only ONE asset gained through merger.

But, you boys keep dreaming. But keep that crow fork handy. Because come January, the ENTIRE INDUSTRY is going to be laughing at you.

 

[GuppyWN]

But, you boys keep dreaming. But keep that crow fork handy. Because come January, the ENTIRE INDUSTRY is going to be laughing at you.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion.

Gup

 

[jhill]

lol I'm afraid it will take more than a pizza party to buy my seniority.

Emrats is hiring. Better get in line

 

[Fubijaakr]

Everybody is entitled to an opinion.

Wanna put some money where your mouth is? PM me and we'll put a little side bet on the board, Gup.

 

[GuppyWN]

Wanna put some money where your mouth is? PM me and we'll put a little side bet on the board, Gup.

I'll do it right here. Tell me what the bet is. I already know I'm in - I just want to know what I'm betting on.

Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

I trust my union and I trust Gary Kelly. I also, believe it or not, trust my future Airtran bros to try in good faith to reach an agreement.

Gup

 

[texman]

Wanna put some money where your mouth is? PM me and we'll put a little side bet on the board, Gup.

I won't bet you anyting, but you can PM me and I will tell you all about how it will be fair to what the law say's about intergration per M/B and A/M. Let's roll!