CAL/UAL the new usair

[tie1on]

the crack management team, is still operating under the concessioary attitude. The contract has hit an impass, who would have guessed it. Mgt must learn to say yes, or usair here they come

 

[jrtaylor400]

then usair it is.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

vacation...give it a little more time...negotiations have only been a month. But yes you are correct either its a yes or else.

 

[Ex737Driver]

the crack management team, is still operating under the concessioary attitude. The contract has hit an impass, who would have guessed it. Mgt must learn to say yes, or usair here they come

Can you elaborate on the impass and where you heard this?

 

[4got2flare]

From weekly CAL MEC update:

NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE UPDATE
Last week, in conjunction with our Subject Matter Expert from Guam, we worked most of the week finalizing and presenting the Guam requirements for the JCBA.***** We would like to express our thanks to the Guam pilots for their input, and their SME for traveling to Denver to assist us with this process.***** We understand that it required a good deal of hard work, travel and time away from home.***** In addition to Guam, last week we passed to management a counterproposal to their last proposal on Moving.

This week, the JNC spent the better part of its time with the Flight Instructor representatives from both CAL and UAL to draft the proposal for Section 23 – Instructors, of the new JCBA.***** Also this week the JNC received counterproposals on Section 4 - Expenses and Section 11- Vacation from management.***** Although it is still early in negotiations, the JNC was disappointed with the Company’s Vacation counterproposal. While management’s proposals on previous sections of the JCBA have been consistent with their stated desire to reach relatively prompt agreement, their vacation proposal falls well short of that goal.***** We hope that the Company is not reverting to concessionary type negotiating of days past to pay for the merger of the future.

While the Transition and Process Agreement makes mention of reaching a JCBA by October 12, 2010 (Section 2, paragraph K), this is not a deadline. Instead, it is a trigger that permits the parties to apply to the NMB for mediation (unless the parties agree not to).********** While the goal of the JNC is to complete the JCBA in relatively quick fashion, it will not accept any substandard or concessionary agreement for the purpose of expediency.

 

[Deerkiller]

Can you elaborate on the impass and where you heard this?

It's not an impasse. It's negotiations. For those that really thought they were just gonna sign us to UAL 2000+, I've got some oceanfront property for ya here in Arkansas.

 

[johnsonrod]

Whatever you do, don't settle. Go for everything that you want, because you may not have this leverage again. Good luck!

 

[St. Nic]

UAL Pilots, the numerical majority with the more lucrative routes and widebodies, control the merger- period.

 

[Deerkiller]

UAL Pilots, the numerical majority with the more lucrative routes and widebodies, control the merger- period.

What is it that your are trying to say?

 

[St. Nic]

What is it that your are trying to say?

You are along for the ride

 

[vetrider]

JLJ is saying the UAL pilots are going to be as dirty and underhanded with their numerical advantage as the east pilots are. I'd watch out if I were the CAL guys.

 

[rumrunner300]

What is it that your are trying to say?

Why do you even engage him?

rr

 

[EWR_FO]

UAL Pilots, the numerical majority with the more lucrative routes and widebodies, control the merger- period.

Obviously that worked out well for USAir.

 

[Deerkiller]

You are along for the ride

That's interesting considering no contract will go to a vote unless the CAL MEC approves it along w/ the UAL MEC.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

St Nic is a slug on this board. Ignore him. We are in this together. United we stand divided we fall and fail. Hang in there and be patient...we will prevail

 

[4got2flare]

I'm with YuppyGuppy on this. We must stand together on this.

 

[Bringupthebird]

UAL Pilots, the numerical majority with the more lucrative routes and widebodies, control the merger- period.

Why is a USAir pilot concerned with UAL matters?

 

[Deerkiller]

Why is a USAir pilot concerned with UAL matters?

He wants everyone to be as miserable as he is.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

We are in this together. United we stand divided we fall and fail.

During the UAL Pilot strike of 1985, I remember the slogan, "United we Stand, Divided we're Continental"

 

[Hvy]

UAL Pilots, the numerical majority with the more lucrative routes and widebodies, control the merger- period.

Quit being an idiot and trying to stir things up.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Quit being an idiot and trying to stir things up.

How could you possibly expect more from St. Nic, he only comes once a year, and it's down a chimney....

Yogi

Let's stand together and get an industry leading JCBA!!!

 

[Hvy]

Absolutely!

 

[tie1on]

the crack management team at cal/ual will screw over all the employees really bad. you think usair is bad , you haven't seen anything yet.

 

[KarmaPolice]

From a management perspective, UAL/CAL has got to hope for a US Airways scenario! Because then they can keep the old contract in place while the pilot groups spend years slugging it out. US Airways is paying 160$ an hour for a senior Captain to fly an A330? Where else in America is that happening, let alone the world? As long as the pilot groups are divided, a new contract will never get signed, meanwhile, US Airways is banking awesome profits! UAL/CAL management has got to be PRAYING for a US Airways scenario.

 

[Dizel8]

I've got some oceanfront property for ya here in Arkansas.

How many rooms?

 

[rattler]

From a management perspective, UAL/CAL has got to hope for a US Airways scenario! Because then they can keep the old contract in place while the pilot groups spend years slugging it out. US Airways is paying 160$ an hour for a senior Captain to fly an A330? Where else in America is that happening, let alone the world? As long as the pilot groups are divided, a new contract will never get signed, meanwhile, US Airways is banking awesome profits! UAL/CAL management has got to be PRAYING for a US Airways scenario.

There is language in the TPA to prevent this from being drug out for years. Either side can request NMB mediation as early as mid October.

 

[Raoul Duke]

but the mediators can't force anything, how does that solve anything?

 

[rattler]

but the mediators can't force anything, how does that solve anything?

They can't but the next step is self help. This is an expedited process, unlike normal CBAs.

 

[Captain X]

They can't but the next step is self help. This is an expedited process, unlike normal CBAs.

You only get to self-help once the NMB releases you and the 30-day cooling off period passes. Oh yeah, and the PEB that would most likely follow too.

And technically, NOTHING prevents the NMB from "icing" either or both parties indefinitely.