CAL/UAL merger statistics

[CRJ's suck]

Found this CAL/UAL merger info on another website.
Although I don't know how much of it is factual, it's pretty interesting reading none the less.

Sorry, I meant "possible" merger between CAL/UAL.

 

[LJDRVR]

Interesting comparison. The one thing that's changed is that Continental now has a larger market cap, effectively putting us in the driver's seat if this merger goes down.

 

[Mr.B]

Interesting comparison. The one thing that's changed is that Continental now has a larger market cap, effectively putting us in the driver's seat if this merger goes down.

Spoken like a true USAir Eastie.

 

[LJDRVR]

Spoken like a true USAir Eastie.

Spoken like a true ass.

I actually want to see a fair integration of our two seniority lists if this poop sandwich goes down. I want our management in the driver's seat because your airline's "leadership" couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper sack.

Thanks for the random insult, though.

 

[Soulfly]

A fair integration of the AWA/AAA seniority list already occured.

OK, I know USAPA will impose DOH, because thats just the way it is supposed to be.

You all knew DOH was not part of ALPA meger policy, so why did you legally agree to the process?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

let's just get it done and be fair...people will have their toes stepped on oh well life goes on.

 

[contrail67]

Found this CAL/UAL merger info on another website.
Although I don't know how much of it is factual, it's pretty interesting reading none the less.

Sorry, I meant "possible" merger between CAL/UAL.

Thanks for the post...

 

[Max Powers]

Spoken like a true ass.

I actually want to see a fair integration of our two seniority lists if this poop sandwich goes down. I want our management in the driver's seat because your airline's "leadership" couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper sack.

Thanks for the random insult, though.

Based on your previous comments you seem to careless about fairness and use Market Cap as a sole determiner of who should be more senior. I have no dog in this fight but based on UAL performance and dark future I would put CAL way above you guys in most aspects.

 

[motch]

How about we go back to the good old ways of the US of A...

Capitalism.

If an airline can not be run to the point of sustainability... it goes out of business.

After that, there is an acquisition of assets. Whoever wants to buy the piece, so be it.

Look, I'm all for helping out fellow Union Brothers and Sisters. But there also comes a time where you have to realize that people need to play the hand that they are dealt.

If the CAL/UAL merger were to happen, and the CAL work rules were applied, there will be furloughs. I'm out on the street. While a UAL pilot still has his job. How is that fair when my company was holding it's head above water while the competition was drowning before the merger?

 

[Ben Franklin]

How is that fair when my company was holding it's head above water while the competition was drowning before the merger?

The competition didn't have an 83-85 year old life preserver?




Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Jonny Sacko]

bud dum pisshhhhhhh. I'll give ya that. Funny

 

[AWACoff]

No, the competition had an 86-87 year old life preserver.

Easy solution. Staple all scabs and make them pay their back dues.

 

[Andy]

Interesting comparison. The one thing that's changed is that Continental now has a larger market cap, effectively putting us in the driver's seat if this merger goes down.

That didn't last long. Market cap = price/share x shares outstanding. Using today's closing prices:
CAL= $16.04 x 98.00M = $1.57B
UAUA = $13.95 x 118.99M = $1.66B

Does this mean that, as of today, UAUA is back in the driver's seat? Market cap is not a measure of who's in charge of a merger.

You're also ignoring the fact that due to the DAL/NWA merger, CAL is going to be effectively frozen out of SkyTeam. In order for them to continue to expand internationally, they need to join the Star Alliance or One World.
Ask Kellner or any of the rest of CAL senior management how much they're concerned over their future in SkyTeam.

 

[Mr.B]

That didn't last long. Market cap = price/share x shares outstanding. Using today's closing prices:
CAL= $16.04 x 98.00M = $1.57B
UAUA = $13.95 x 118.99M = $1.66B

Does this mean that, as of today, UAUA is back in the driver's seat? Market cap is not a measure of who's in charge of a merger.

You're also ignoring the fact that due to the DAL/NWA merger, CAL is going to be effectively frozen out of SkyTeam. In order for them to continue to expand internationally, they need to join the Star Alliance or One World.
Ask Kellner or any of the rest of CAL senior management how much they're concerned over their future in SkyTeam.

Good post.

 

[LJDRVR]

Based on your previous comments you seem to careless about fairness and use Market Cap as a sole determiner of who should be more senior. I have no dog in this fight but based on UAL performance and dark future I would put CAL way above you guys in most aspects.

???

Max, your reading comprehension needs some work. I don't believe I've ever posted anything related to market cap and I work for CAL.

Regarding who's going to be in control, my choice is for Continental to run the show. Not because I think that will enable our pilot group to come out on top, but because our management team actually knows how to run an airline. (Don't anybody get their panties in a wad, that's a true statement and I'm not insulting line United employees, but their criminally inept "leaders".)

A combined UAL/CAL with Larry Kellner and Jeff Smisek at the helm, would be the world's largest airline, with the best route structure and network. Although the process would be very painful, our combined airline would be the proverbial 800 pound Gorilla. (Not only the biggest, but the only one with a real plan and the ability to compete and win.)

As far as the seniority list integration goes, we can get ourselves all worked up with the details, but a deal hasn't been announced yet and I'm confident that if it is, our MEC's will come to a solution where nobody gets hosed too badly.

I would love to see a group of United pilots with the opportunity to again work at a carrier where they can be proud of the product and their leaders. I think the influx of their pilots and culture would make this a better place to work than it already is. I would be proud to share a cockpit with any of y'all. (I'm just hoping it doesn't happen, I like CAL the way it is, and I'd like to get our contract fixed.)

Tilton needs to go away with nothing but his last paycheck withheld and a restraining order.

PS - Whoever said staple the SCABS? Very interesting.