CAL Recall Bid - Any Bets?

[bizicmo]

Just talked with my union friend and said bid coming out next week with recalls and open positions for hiring. Said 787 delays won't affect it because we're getting the GenX GE engines, not RR. We'll see........

Can you ask him if those recalls will receive phone calls for class prior to the merger being complete with a new combined seniority list?

 

[erich]

Can you ask him if those recalls will receive phone calls for class prior to the merger being complete with a new combined seniority list?

I have herd the same and that we will be trained. Next Wed will be an interesting day.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Can you ask him if those recalls will receive phone calls for class prior to the merger being complete with a new combined seniority list?

I don't think he knows. What I like about my source is if he doesn't know, he says so. Gotta respect that. But he did say it'll be out next week. At least it's a start in the right direction.

 

[skywdriver]

Can you ask him if those recalls will receive phone calls for class prior to the merger being complete with a new combined seniority list?

The TA states that if either pilot intends to hire "new" pilots, it will first offer the positions to the other airline in seniority order. New implies that all furloughed pilots were given the option to accept before the offer was extended to fill "new hire" slots.

There is another section that says continental and united will keep their operations separate until the joint certificate is received, stating that neither airline will interchange pilots between their operations.

This language seems to protect all current CAL furloughs from getting recalled based on the new seniority list if the recall came after the list was arbitrated.

 

[bizicmo]

The TA states that if either pilot intends to hire "new" pilots, it will first offer the positions to the other airline in seniority order. New implies that all furloughed pilots were given the option to accept before the offer was extended to fill "new hire" slots.

There is another section that says continental and united will keep their operations separate until the joint certificate is received, stating that neither airline will interchange pilots between their operations.

This language seems to protect all current CAL furloughs from getting recalled based on the new seniority list if the recall came after the list was arbitrated.

What if the joint certificate is received prior to anyone receiving phone calls for class dates? IF Management wants this joint contract done by oct, then the merged seniority list can't be to far behind, why couldn't they close this merger with a new certificate by next spring? I am not an expert but the only thing left would be the government, which I haven't heard many arguments saying they would stop the merger. Once the merger is complete my guess is that they would recall based on the new merged seniority list, not CAL first UAL next. The only reason I bring this up this crazy idea that they might not call anybody until next summer for recall classes is that they haven't called anybody from the last recall. Again i am not an expert but if the joint certificate is received prior to a person starting class it sounds like one might be screwed.

 

[Jetjockey]

The joint certificate (FAA approval) will not be completed until the end of 2011. Company time line as published. CAL Recalls, and UAL furloughees will be filling vacancies by then.

 

[bizicmo]

The joint certificate (FAA approval) will not be completed until the end of 2011. Company time line as published. CAL Recalls, and UAL furloughees will be filling vacancies by then.

Thank you, that's all i needed to hear. I didn't know that.

 

[skywdriver]

The joint certificate (FAA approval) will not be completed until the end of 2011. Company time line as published. CAL Recalls, and UAL furloughees will be filling vacancies by then.

and that is probably the quickest it can be done. i can only imagine the paperwork involved. they have to have to rewrite the whole book, training, maint, SOP, etc.

 

[tie1on]

with potential delays added to 787, I suspect a system bid of 40 -50 pilots. Just a guess.

 

[captain]

just heard 787 delayed until 1st qtr of 2011, we're screwed.

recalls for CAL guys wont happen until after the merge...

that's my bet, we'll see Wednesday.

 

[skywdriver]

just heard 787 delayed until 1st qtr of 2011, we're screwed.

recalls for CAL guys wont happen until after the merge...

that's my bet, we'll see Wednesday.

that doesn't mean our deliveries will be delayed. the first delivery is completely a function of when the airplane gets certified. all of the delays are in the certification process, if I understand correctly. they will have airplanes built and ready to deliver after certification. maybe we will be delayed, but i really don't think 3-4 weeks makes much of a difference. however, i suppose until this thing is certified, we don't have any airplanes coming.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Bid is SUPPOSED to have vacancies for a separate 787 sub-base in IAH. With only 2-3 aircraft, they have to keep it separate until enough aircraft are on property that all 777/787 pilots can be trained. 25 CA and 75 FO vacancies.

On a lighter note, the ORD 757 base is supposedely going bye-bye as the UAL 757's are to be parked. An order for 737-800/900's to fill the gap and a rather large 737 base in ORD to open. The 767's in IAD will be going to EWR to increase international flying and IAD will get the same thing as ORD, a rather large 737-800/900 base. Here's your grain of sand......

 

[skywdriver]

Bid is SUPPOSED to have vacancies for a separate 787 sub-base in IAH. With only 2-3 aircraft, they have to keep it separate until enough aircraft are on property that all 777/787 pilots can be trained. 25 CA and 75 FO vacancies.

On a lighter note, the ORD 757 base is supposedely going bye-bye as the UAL 757's are to be parked. An order for 737-800/900's to fill the gap and a rather large 737 base in ORD to open. The 767's in IAD will be going to EWR to increase international flying and IAD will get the same thing as ORD, a rather large 737-800/900 base. Here's your grain of sand......

Any word on when the bid might be out?

 

[densoo]

Rumor of the bid coming out was August, until about mid-August, and then it became first week of September.

Rumor going around today is the bid is going to have the LAX base so they can stop deadheading crews to fly the HNL and OGG trips.

Rumor only!

 

[ip241au]

My opinion: No recalls--steady as she goes

 

[skywdriver]

My opinion: No recalls--steady as she goes

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for the sake of myself and all the other furloughees, i hope you are wrong.

 

[skywdriver]

just looked at the contract, looks like vacation bid has to open on the 24th of September. seems like they would have to have the bid closed by then so vacation can be awarded considering all the movement that will take place with the 787, it may be slightly delayed, but the training will start much earlier and they could really pin themselves in a corner from a staffing perspective. hope that is the case, guess we will see this week.

 

[COpilot]

Before the first gets here, let me put my prediction down. The bid will be flat.

Every time there is a reason to move forward, "They" find a way to pull down block hours, move airplanes, lay people off. This bid will be no different. We've made 10 new Capt's in the EWR B757/B767 sub base in 2 years, no different this time.

 

[skywdriver]

Before the first gets here, let me put my prediction down. The bid will be flat.

Every time there is a reason to move forward, "They" find a way to pull down block hours, move airplanes, lay people off. This bid will be no different. We've made 10 new Capt's in the EWR B757/B767 sub base in 2 years, no different this time.

I see only two possibilities for that - either the 787 isn't on the bid or they are parking more airplanes. But, hard to believe something good is going to happen when it has been so long since the last time things were moving in the right direction. So, who knows.

 

[SFR]

The bid will have 20 furloughs and 500 LOA