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Phrogs4ever

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Thirty pairings withheld from bidding for retirement flights with more possible. Are they finally getting spooked by the GATT rate change or the threat of lump sum viability?

Bring back the 147!
 
So less than 10% of the over 60 guys at CAL retire and now you think they are scared? 30 is hardly worth mentioning.
 
Prior to the age 60 legislation we were averaging about thirty a month. I doubt we ever had a month with 150 retirements. We were only forecasting 300-350 retirements for the whole year. Since all of this year I may have seen maybe one retirement notice a month in the crew room, yes, thirty in one month is a big deal.

There is still the possibility of more retirements being processed for November, and what about December? This is going to cause a lot of ripple effect vacancy training in the January bid and if we don't bring back the 147 we are going to be even more shorthanded next summer than we were this year. This is a good sign, but the question is will this become a trend?
 
CAL is great! I am finishing this 4 day trip, I can honestly say that it was nice to fly again.... that 45 day stretch of no flying was definitely welcome, but a 4 day trip once in awhile is good.....

Anyone who does not like it here is nuts! Even the captain I am flying with says that you guys should quit if you do not like it....
 
Phrogs4ever said:
Prior to the age 60 legislation we were averaging about thirty a month. I doubt we ever had a month with 150 retirements. We were only forecasting 300-350 retirements for the whole year. Since all of this year I may have seen maybe one retirement notice a month in the crew room, yes, thirty in one month is a big deal.

There is still the possibility of more retirements being processed for November, and what about December? This is going to cause a lot of ripple effect vacancy training in the January bid and if we don't bring back the 147 we are going to be even more shorthanded next summer than we were this year. This is a good sign, but the question is will this become a trend?
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I don't think an increase in retirements will by itself lead to recalls. The company will simply cancel the LTRF and other staffing programs put in place over the last year and just like that!!.........staffing problem solved with no recalls. The 147 are contract pawns. They will not be used for staffing until the contract is making progress. It's just fantastic leverage and I don't see the company parting with it's favorite contract tool any time soon.
 
SFR said:
CAL is great! I am finishing this 4 day trip, I can honestly say that it was nice to fly again.... that 45 day stretch of no flying was definitely welcome, but a 4 day trip once in awhile is good.....

Anyone who does not like it here is nuts! Even the captain I am flying with says that you guys should quit if you do not like it....
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I'm sure you and your CA agree. Reason;

Scabs and the progeny of scabs think very much alike. It's a family indoctrination thing.

Tell us about it.
 
ATRCA said:
I don't think an increase in retirements will by itself lead to recalls. The company will simply cancel the LTRF and other staffing programs put in place over the last year and just like that!!.........staffing problem solved with no recalls. The 147 are contract pawns. They will not be used for staffing until the contract is making progress. It's just fantastic leverage and I don't see the company parting with it's favorite contract tool any time soon.
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Plus people coming off of leaves starting this spring won't help either.
 
ATRCA said:
The company will simply cancel the LTRF and other staffing programs put in place over the last year and just like that!!.........staffing problem solved with no recalls. QUOTE]

Wrong.... The company can not "cancel" the LTVRF. LTVRF/COLA 10 runs until the end of April 2010; that's a hard number. The only way a pilot can come back early from COLA 10 or LTVRF is if all the furloughed guys/gals are recalled, and that's on a voluntary basis. The company can not FORCE anyone to back back before then.
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ATRCA said:
I'm sure you and your CA agree. Reason;

Scabs and the progeny of scabs think very much alike. It's a family indoctrination thing.

Tell us about it.
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Oh, you mean that strike that happened when I was in 1st grade??? Get a life...

Are you even a CAL person or a mainline person anywhere? If not, your opinion does not matter.
 
SFR said:
Oh, you mean that strike that happened when I was in 1st grade??? Get a life...

Are you even a CAL person or a mainline person anywhere? If not, your opinion does not matter.
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You don't have to actually work at CAL to see what a future line crosser looks like. Anyone can see you a mile away.

This is a message board. Any member is free to posts opinions at will. Even tools like you have a voice. Isn't democracy great:rolleyes:
 
You will be surprised to see who crosses a real picket line. You and your high and mighty folks will be some of the first. I, on the other hand, have other things to do. I don't like to work now as it is, why would I cross then?
 
ATRCA said:
The company will simply cancel the LTRF and other staffing programs put in place over the last year and just like that!!.........staffing problem solved with no recalls. The 147 are contract pawns.
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Although I agree that the 147 furloughs are pawns, your understanding of the LTVRF and COLA 10 are incorrect. Both furlough mitigation programs run until the end of April 2010; that's a firm date and can not be "cancelled" by the company. The only way a pilot can come back early from COLA 10 or LTVRF is if ALL the furloughed guys/gals are recalled, and then it's only on a voluntary basis. The company can not FORCE anyone to come back before then.
 
JI Gone OH said:
Although I agree that the 147 furloughs are pawns, your understanding of the LTVRF and COLA 10 are incorrect. Both furlough mitigation programs run until the end of April 2010; that's a firm date and can not be "cancelled" by the company. The only way a pilot can come back early from COLA 10 or LTVRF is if ALL the furloughed guys/gals are recalled, and then it's only on a voluntary basis. The company can not FORCE anyone to come back before then.
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Thanks for clearing that up. I was not aware of the intricacies of those programs. I think 2010 will be an interesting year. The numbers indicate a easing of the "crisis" for airlines and I wonder just how the downtown boys will react.

What's your prediction?
 
ATRCA said:
What's your prediction?
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This is just my gut feeling, and I know absolutely nothing factual to back it up, but I think you'll see [at least some of] them recalled in time for the summer of 2010. Everything at CAL seems very calculated, and so I don't think that April 2010 was an arbitrary date for the COLA 10/LTVRF to end. CAL knows that they're going to need those guys back on line next spring, and probably all of the furloughs too. Again, it's just a guess, but I'm looking forward to having everyone back property soon.
 
JI Gone OH said:
This is just my gut feeling, and I know absolutely nothing factual to back it up, but I think you'll see [at least some of] them recalled in time for the summer of 2010. Everything at CAL seems very calculated, and so I don't think that April 2010 was an arbitrary date for the COLA 10/LTVRF to end. CAL knows that they're going to need those guys back on line next spring, and probably all of the furloughs too. Again, it's just a guess, but I'm looking forward to having everyone back property soon.
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Well I hope you're correct. I've been throwing out April 2010 for a while now also as just a WAG. I also wonder what Summer 2010 will bring. I've not spoken to a single furloughee who's found employment since furlough (except Mil guys returning to duty). We'll see.
 
SFR said:
You will be surprised to see who crosses a real picket line. You and your high and mighty folks will be some of the first. I, on the other hand, have other things to do. I don't like to work now as it is, why would I cross then?
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I don't doubt that you are correct regarding who crosses and who doesn't. It would probably be a very mixed bag. As for me, I've already spend 13 months on the food line. A strike would do me no harm at all.
 
JI Gone OH said:
This is just my gut feeling, and I know absolutely nothing factual to back it up, but I think you'll see [at least some of] them recalled in time for the summer of 2010. Everything at CAL seems very calculated, and so I don't think that April 2010 was an arbitrary date for the COLA 10/LTVRF to end. CAL knows that they're going to need those guys back on line next spring, and probably all of the furloughs too. Again, it's just a guess, but I'm looking forward to having everyone back property soon.
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I agree with you. There could be a significant bid timed with the end of COLAs.
 
Captain X said:
Sorry, but a strike harms everyone.

It is intended as a true, last resort.
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Well, to be honest, I'm not worried. I've been out for over a year so the prospect of a strike doesn't scare me. When you're on first year pay you've got little to lose. I don't have kids and I'm not married. I'm willing to bet that the ALPA strike benefit is about the same as unemployment. I've been surviving just fine on that amount of pay for much longer than I ever would have thought possible.
 
I am a COLA 10 fella.
There are only 64 COLA 10 folks. Somebody might want to verify that but last I checked(right before the last furlough threat).

I think a number in the single digits volunteered for Cola 11.
 

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