CAL Future?

[SMOE]

Sorry, I stand corrected:

Not verified but on CALForums today:

All remaining newhire classes have been postponed/cancelled.

 

[Meiguy]

Sorry, I stand corrected:

Not verified but on CALForums today:

All remaining newhire classes have been postponed/cancelled.

Heard the same thing from a friend of mine who had a class in April. He was told his class was cancelled and was put into a pool. Said they weren't sure when the next class would be or when hiring would resume.

 

[waterskier]

What!?!?
So this news is not related to the training dept. summer break?

 

[COpilot]

What!?!?
So this news is not related to the training dept. summer break?

That is the rumor; correct. Take your pick, economy, Bush, Iraq, $110 oil, Age 65 guys, contract time, FAA inspections, Obama's pastor; heck any reason will do.

 

[PCL_128]

It is unfortunately true. Another win for Prater.

I really miss Duane.

 

[Captain Overs]

That is the rumor; correct. Take your pick, economy, Bush, Iraq, $110 oil, Age 65 guys, contract time, FAA inspections, Obama's pastor; heck any reason will do.

Obama' pastor? Now that is some funny ********************!

 

[Flopgut]

I really miss Duane.

Be glad that's where your memory leaves off.

 

[lookin4better]

Will the Director of Recruitment still be the same ( CN ) or someone else take over when it starts back up?

 

[Flopgut]

Would any fellow CAL pilot who is encouraged about how things are going care to help me see that vision?

I think the company, AND the union, are playing us like a fiddle, again. Folks, the list is perfectly split no different than it has been for nearly 30 years. So here are my concerns: 1. Age 65 is a huge problem for us. 2. The instructors being allowed to come back to the line. I know the instructors are a small number, but small numbers are what contracts pass by. When I talk to Jay P, or my rep, I'm basically the only member who is disgusted with this. I know rallies and participation are great things, but I want to verbalize that I think we're missing some big issues. This is big business in a southern culture. When it get's down to the nut cuttin', Larry is going to ask the NC "what do I need to get 51%?" And they'll make a deal. What would 51% of this group look like if age 60 had stayed in place? Completely different!! Let's not be the group who let's being told we're being represented, take the place of actually being represented!! Let's not allow ALPA leadership to trade on our unity. When we show up and rally, sure, Larry notices, but what that too often results in is the top half of the CAL list getting more dollars for betraying the bottom!! That may be why ALPA is telling you to do it?! One group of CAL pilots CAN NOT put blind faith in another!! We're not minding the store closely enough on how age 65 is being handled!! The instructors are back, stand by for another to try to get in, and then another and another.....

 

[pkober]

top half of the CAL list getting more dollars for betraying the bottom!!

That's why our FO's are paid less then most other FO's as a percentage of Capt pay.

There are those Captains that care about FO's but the majority don't. It's all about them. I've actually had Captains tell me I should only care about what they make because one day I'll be a captain. Guess what year he was hired?

We've got serious problems with our contract and my fear is that if the company just throws some extra cash our way then 51% will vote yes.

 

[Flopgut]

IMHO, the way to handle this is put forth a resolution that any pilot over age 60 get's no vote. Zero! That way 2-3% of the old guys (who will vote yes no matter what) are excluded and another 2-3% are kept honest because they know they can't swing the vote. It keeps things moving in the positive direction of renewal for this group.

 

[pkober]

If a guys has been a union MIGS his whole career, you can't just not allow him to vote after age 60. That seems to go against what a union is all about.
That thinking is why probationary pilots can't vote.

 

[4got2flare]

Well, I for one will vote no. You will vote no... Now that is 2. Remember 2 is small but this is a one vote at a time game. So we together have just voided 2 instructor yes men votes.
Now, its up to us and others to be vocal, active, and do our parts on the line and elsewhere. I fly with CA's all the time who complain about this and that. My only question is what are you going to do about it??? If nothing, shut up!! If your going to help fix the problem then tell me what you want and how you intend to get it. This is a one step at a time process and all must be involved. I've walked the walk, held a sign (in a real strike, not informational) and you do what you have to do. If this group does not get what it deserves then it's no ones fault but our own.....

This pilot group is changing! Look at the hires from 2005 and on. About 33%, hence the Bt3rd group within the pilot ranks. Every week another 16 pilots are off probation and have a vote, I would put money on it that their vote will be no. It takes time for things to change and our time is here. So now you have a choice, you can be part of the solution and make a difference or you can be an ol bitter pilot who whines and complains but when the rubber meets the road does nothing. Your choice is yours and yours alone, but you will have to choose...

Happy Landings!

 

[Flopgut]

If a guys has been a union MIGS his whole career, you can't just not allow him to vote after age 60. That seems to go against what a union is all about.
That thinking is why probationary pilots can't vote.

It wasn't that long ago that first officers had a half vote. Certainly, in the context of a 40 year old rule changing...it was yesterday. And sure, I get your point...MIGS for career that's one thing...but we're talking about CAL pilots here!! I promise you, the one percent of CAL guys you'd want NOT hurt by this sort of thing would say DO IT anyway!! They know the deal.

We've had an extraordinary seniority event occur and we need to think in extraordinary terms. Half vote for these guys, NO more. I'm telling you, it's going to come down to a very small number of votes and the guys who need the most relief are the ones who get the worst.

 

[PCL_128]

Have any of you guys considered taking CAL to court over this issue? I think your chances would probably be good of getting these guys kicked off the seniority list with the way the law was written. This is a truly crazy interpretation of the law.