CAL Furloughees

[bizicmo]

I'm not trying to be negative, but I am not buying recalls on the August bid. If they don't need to recall us for the summer, they aren't going to need us before next summer either. Yes, I know that we are taking delivery of alot of aircraft, but they will find a way to run the airline as currently staffed unless we give up something for recalls. I hope I am wrong! There are alot of good people out there really suffering because of this game that management is playing. Good luck to everybody! Hopefully this nightmare will be over someday soon!

I would agree with you but retirements are the wild card. I don't know if there are going to be some or zero but last nov/dec a good amount occurred when there was suppose to be only a few. You can only bend a rubberband so far.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I would agree with you but retirements are the wild card. I don't know if there are going to be some or zero but last nov/dec a good amount occurred when there was suppose to be only a few. You can only bend a rubberband so far.

Retirements for sure are the wild card. January bid had 4, yes, 4 retirements on it for the year 2010. Fred stated in the IAH cewroom last week that it is actually looking upwards of 100 now.

Yogi

 

[skywdriver]

I'm not trying to be negative, but I am not buying recalls on the August bid. If they don't need to recall us for the summer, they aren't going to need us before next summer either. Yes, I know that we are taking delivery of alot of aircraft, but they will find a way to run the airline as currently staffed unless we give up something for recalls. I hope I am wrong! There are alot of good people out there really suffering because of this game that management is playing. Good luck to everybody! Hopefully this nightmare will be over someday soon!

with all the airplanes coming, they are going to have to start bringing people back in the late fall to get ready for next summer. we have 8 coming this summer, 2 777's and 6 737's - that will require 110 pilots, then the 6 787's coming starting next summer will be another 150 pilots. So that is a total of 260 pilots that will be needed by next summer, throw in 50 retirements, now that is 310 pilots. If half the furloughees come back, that still leaves 237 positions that have to be filled in preparation for next summer. That will involve full training cycles either for United furloughed guys or guys off the street. either way, that will take time. throw in a new contract with better work rules, and that will create even more positions assuming we don't allow scope relief in the joint contract. if we do that all bets are off. either way, i think it is very reasonable to assume that furloughs should be back in the fall, of course anything can change.

 

[Bigoober]

I think it will be the fall also based on the chatter out there, but I also think there are enough saviors out there to keep the furloughs away longer if need be!

 

[thor2j]

Don't forget the other 2 757-300s that are still waiting for the seat fix!

 

[Twotter Driver]

Don't forget the other 2 757-300s that are still waiting for the seat fix!

I'm pretty sure all 4 EX-ATA 75-300's are online now.

 

[Twotter Driver]

Word on the street is approx. 250 vacancies on the August bid. We will recall on the August bid and will likely place UAL furloughees in the other vacancies. Only expecting 70-100 of our 147 furloughs to return. UAL has almost 1,500 on furlough so I don't anticipate hiring off the street anytime soon.

 

[thor2j]

I'm pretty sure all 4 EX-ATA 75-300's are online now.

Actually they are not. Two got tied up in the seat fiasco

 

[thor2j]

Word on the street is approx. 250 vacancies on the August bid. We will recall on the August bid and will likely place UAL furloughees in the other vacancies. Only expecting 70-100 of our 147 furloughs to return. UAL has almost 1,500 on furlough so I don't anticipate hiring off the street anytime soon.

I want all the UAL guys back at work ASAP, but until the SLI is complete we should not be putting them on CAL property. Way, way too many loopholes and lawsuits coming with this one.

 

[Bigoober]

No kidding.

 

[skywdriver]

I want all the UAL guys back at work ASAP, but until the SLI is complete we should not be putting them on CAL property. Way, way too many loopholes and lawsuits coming with this one.

exactly. they can come back if they give up their UAL seniority and consider themselves a CAL pilot for integration purposes. otherwise, bringing them back is done at the expense of the CAL list, because any newhires would most certainly be at the bottom of the CAL list whereas a UAL furloughed guy could jump ahead assuming they get an advantage in the integration.

 

[Flopgut]

I disagree. Poor form to not find some way to get a furloughed pilot (from either company) a job. Complete the verification process for a baseline before recalls then get pilots back to work.

 

[thor2j]

I disagree. Poor form to not find some way to get a furloughed pilot (from either company) a job. Complete the verification process for a baseline before recalls then get pilots back to work.

Not poor form at all. Until they are the same certificate it will open a whole other can of worms.

 

[Flopgut]

Not poor form at all. Until they are the same certificate it will open a whole other can of worms.

No, there's no other can of worms. It's a merger and the right thing to do is recall their pilots as soon as there is opportunity. These are union brethren AND soon to be the same company.

I don't think you've thought this through. It's real clear what the right thing to do is and you need to be real happy that your union/company is doing it. Act out of an abundance of regard for these pilots now and it will pay later.

 

[bluefin]

I want all the UAL guys back at work ASAP, but until the SLI is complete we should not be putting them on CAL property. Way, way too many loopholes and lawsuits coming with this one.

Same company right? UAL furloughs are going to be maybe at the bottom mixed in with C furloughs right? C will recall all furloughed pilots then call U's right? so whats the problem? I know you guys think your gonna get screwed by the furloughed guys, your not. Remember most jr active at U is 1999. How many hired after that at C? Thats what ya need to worry about. The furloughed guys at U know we have no voice in the SLI, praying for the best, waiting for the worst.