CAL Furloughees

[AWACoff]

Same company right? UAL furloughs are going to be maybe at the bottom mixed in with C furloughs right? C will recall all furloughed pilots then call U's right? so whats the problem? I know you guys think your gonna get screwed by the furloughed guys, your not. Remember most jr active at U is 1999. How many hired after that at C? Thats what ya need to worry about. The furloughed guys at U know we have no voice in the SLI, praying for the best, waiting for the worst.

Blue, I agree with the sentiment of your post. Does it seem fair to you that a pilot 146 numbers from a likely recall this year should be integrated on the SLI with the number 1437 guy on furlough from United and no imminent recall? Conversely, is it fair for the number 1 furloughed pilot from CAL to be integrated with the number 1 furlough from United (one has months on property while the other had years on property).

I would say that both could look very unfair. Career expectations is going to be the deciding point in this SLI because longevity across both seniority lists is not complimentary. When United was hiring, CAL wasn't and vice versa.

I think the fairest way to do the SLI is to take the top 1/3 of the list and make them the bottom third. Then, staple all the scabs. Two thirds of the combined seniority list will be happy and the scabs will finally get their due.

I don't understand why people are concerned about a furloughed pilot being senior to an active pilot on a SLI

 

[Mike Ditka]

I'm all for bringing all United guys back with CAL, but the two carriers aren't even close to being on one certificate yet. Nor has this merger been approved. What happens if CAL recalls their furloughs, then the UAL ones in anticipation the merger will go through and it somehow gets shot down? Where does that leave those United guys? It's for that reason I don't see how they could be brought onto CAL at this stage. I suppose some sort of agreement could be reached, but these are uncharted waters. It sux either way, who'd want to be a CAL newhire with the possibility of being leapfrogged by 1400+ UAL furloughs.

-Da Coach

 

[ATA For Now!]

I'm a furloughed UA guy and about 50 or so from the bottom. When this is done, I expect to be 50 or so from the bottom. If I can accept a recall to CAL before the SLI is complete and have to give up my UA sen #, I don't expect to go ahead of anyone. I expect to be 50 or so from the bottom....forever....(well, at least until the SLI is complete and we start hiring off the street!!)

We need to concentrate on the JCBA, work rules and SCOPE SCOPE SCOPE before anything else. It's great to negotiate $500/hr pay rates but sucks if there's no airplanes to fly.

Recapture ALL 50+ seat flying, decent pay/work rule increases and better job protection ala codeshare. Then, we will ALL have a chance to move forward. There's a lot of old bastards at UA! Retirements will create upward movement and more jobs for all.

We need to do this with a long term outlook not a shortsighted "what's in it for me" gain. We have a golden oppourtunity here if we don't SCREW it up.

RV

 

[HHH]

I'm a furloughed UA guy and about 50 or so from the bottom. When this is done, I expect to be 50 or so from the bottom. If I can accept a recall to CAL before the SLI is complete and have to give up my UA sen #, I don't expect to go ahead of anyone. I expect to be 50 or so from the bottom....forever....(well, at least until the SLI is complete and we start hiring off the street!!)

We need to concentrate on the JCBA, work rules and SCOPE SCOPE SCOPE before anything else. It's great to negotiate $500/hr pay rates but sucks if there's no airplanes to fly.

Recapture ALL 50+ seat flying, decent pay/work rule increases and better job protection ala codeshare. Then, we will ALL have a chance to move forward. There's a lot of old bastards at UA! Retirements will create upward movement and more jobs for all.

We need to do this with a long term outlook not a shortsighted "what's in it for me" gain. We have a golden oppourtunity here if we don't SCREW it up.

RV

Good post.

 

[Billsflyer]

Why are we discussing this, we have not even recalled a single pilot of the 147 yet. Let's start with a bid with recalls on it, then we can go down this road. Until then back to my furlough.

 

[mamba20]

Blue, I agree with the sentiment of your post. Does it seem fair to you that a pilot 146 numbers from a likely recall this year should be integrated on the SLI with the number 1437 guy on furlough from United and no imminent recall? Conversely, is it fair for the number 1 furloughed pilot from CAL to be integrated with the number 1 furlough from United (one has months on property while the other had years on property).

I would say that both could look very unfair. Career expectations is going to be the deciding point in this SLI because longevity across both seniority lists is not complimentary. When United was hiring, CAL wasn't and vice versa.

I think the fairest way to do the SLI is to take the top 1/3 of the list and make them the bottom third. Then, staple all the scabs. Two thirds of the combined seniority list will be happy and the scabs will finally get their due.

I don't understand why people are concerned about a furloughed pilot being senior to an active pilot on a SLI

We should fire all the scabs and hire real pilots.

 

[bluefin]

Blue, I agree with the sentiment of your post. Does it seem fair to you that a pilot 146 numbers from a likely recall this year should be integrated on the SLI with the number 1437 guy on furlough from United and no imminent recall? Conversely, is it fair for the number 1 furloughed pilot from CAL to be integrated with the number 1 furlough from United (one has months on property while the other had years on property).

I would say that both could look very unfair. Career expectations is going to be the deciding point in this SLI because longevity across both seniority lists is not complimentary. When United was hiring, CAL wasn't and vice versa.

I think the fairest way to do the SLI is to take the top 1/3 of the list and make them the bottom third. Then, staple all the scabs. Two thirds of the combined seniority list will be happy and the scabs will finally get their due.

I don't understand why people are concerned about a furloughed pilot being senior to an active pilot on a SLI

What you and I think are fair are two different ideas. We have no control over the process and have to be ready to deal with it if and when it happens. I hope this opportunity is used to right the wrongs of this proffession. By the way there is a very ugly RUMOR passing around U and that it is all U furloughees are going to be "SEVERED" from the new company. We must all wait and see.

 

[flygirlqt]

We should fire all the scabs and hire real pilots.

I wonder how much the special assessments would be when they collectively and successfully sued ALPA under a dfr lawsuit?

The damages awarded will probably be a lot more than you will ever see working under ALPA representation during your lifetime.

 

[mamba20]

I wonder how much the special assessments would be when they collectively and successfully sued ALPA under a dfr lawsuit?

The damages awarded will probably be a lot more than you will ever see working under ALPA representation during your lifetime.

What the hell is your problem? Ever heard of sarcasim?

 

[flygirlqt]

What the hell is your problem? Ever heard of sarcasim?

My problem is watching the industry being destroyed by petty infighting and the crushing of unity within the ranks. It is one of the main reasons I left to go back to law school.

I always found it interesting that despite the scabs and their vile choices to cross a picket line, they were very accurate with their views on what a rip off ALPA is. Especially coming from the former ALPA members that crossed. What made it even more interesting is listening to some of the returning strikers that also shared the same opinions about ALPA after it was over. In a way it was surreal and if you didn't pay attention to employee numbers you might not know who you were flying with at the time.

I just had dinner the other night with a "B3" er that said the exact same thing you did, as well as others, and was serious about wanting to fire all the 83 - 85 hires. For some, it is not sarcasm. My response was the same that I said to you and it is a valid point. It's ok because he also got pretty huffy.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So you are defending scabs and bashing ALPA, despite leaving it all behind and starting a zero agnst career in law.....

 

[flygirlqt]

So you are defending scabs and bashing ALPA, despite leaving it all behind and starting a zero agnst career in law.....

Hardly.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So if you are not apologizing for scabs and trashing ALPA, all while you are long gone on your new law career....
what are you trying to say
???

 

[flygirlqt]

So if you are not apologizing for scabs and trashing ALPA, all while you are long gone on your new law career....
what are you trying to say
???

I thought my one word reply from above would have sunk into your one track feeble mind about the subject. You are like an Amway salesman when it comes to ALPA yet I expect no less from the ALPA apologists.

As far as my law career, I certainly hope I can start out making what the secretaries down in Herndon are pulling in. Even better the salary of the person who wrote that brilliant piece of journalism last month sounds pretty good.

 

[mamba20]

You've given up on this career so why are you bothering to sign onto this board, let alone post?

 

[flygirlqt]

You've given up on this career so why are you bothering to sign onto this board, let alone post?

It is like watching a car wreck, which is exactly what it is and always will be until there is some fundamental change.

I also saw what this industry did to close relatives (rEAL) and an outside blunt jaded perspective is perhaps needed but will always be ignored. And finally, I am going to get married to a B3'r so I do have a vested interest in what happens over at Titanic.

 

[airksk]

New memo just released, the rumored system bid is here. Bid states that net result will be 15 recalls from furlough, in addition to the expiring ltvrf and cola.

 

[Flopgut]

It is like watching a car wreck, which is exactly what it is and always will be until there is some fundamental change.

I also saw what this industry did to close relatives (rEAL) and an outside blunt jaded perspective is perhaps needed but will always be ignored. And finally, I am going to get married to a B3'r so I do have a vested interest in what happens over at Titanic.

Aren't you going to law school in the DC area? Georgetown, wasn't it? And you're an airline pilot. And, you seem fixated on what the salaries are at National. I predict you end up working for ALPA.

I think you should!

 

[flygirlqt]

Aren't you going to law school in the DC area? Georgetown, wasn't it? And you're an airline pilot. And, you seem fixated on what the salaries are at National. I predict you end up working for ALPA.

I think you should!

Yes, yes, no longer, yes I am, never!

 

[jumppilot]

I thought my one word reply from above would have sunk into your one track feeble mind about the subject. You are like an Amway salesman when it comes to ALPA yet I expect no less from the ALPA apologists.

As far as my law career, I certainly hope I can start out making what the secretaries down in Herndon are pulling in. Even better the salary of the person who wrote that brilliant piece of journalism last month sounds pretty good.

What was your seniority when you left?

 

[tmac3333]

Flygirlqt: That's a great idea, you should definitely be a lawyer for ALPA. Come on....

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Fly Girl is so typical. She was hired because of her appearance but could not handle the job and quit. And now she is going to be the typical lawyer. Lawyers are common and corrupt. I am sure she does not know the difference between right and wrong and is just another relativist opportunist.

She will have very few options in law. Aviation law or private practice will be it because she will be seen as a career changer and excluded from hiring, preferred internships, and other prized positions. The only lawyers hired for the prime positions are those who are not jaded. And she will be seen as jaded just by her resume a mile away.

In the interviews the question will be asked,"why did you quit as an airline pilot?" Whatever answer she gives the interviewers will look at her body language and discount the entire answer as another jaded individual not not worth hiring.

I am sure she will dispute everything I am saying but mark my words she will fall flat on her face and end up married with a large student loan and a few half stories of the old airline days as she flight instructs in a C152 maybe doing divorce law and chasing ambulances. And the poor sucker who marries her will be divorced within a few years.

She is extremely typical and an easy book to read. INCOMING! Hit the deck!

 

[Tail Gunner Joe]

... she will fall flat on her face...She is extremely typical and an easy book to read....

Harsh, dude.

What do you recommend for flygirl? Barefoot and pregnant???

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Harsh, dude.

What do you recommend for flygirl? Barefoot and pregnant???

No I don't recommend barefoot and pregnant at all but likely to happen.

People who are unstable in their careers are typical labeled as malcontent. And I like picking on her.

 

[flygirlqt]

Fly Girl is so typical. She was hired because of her appearance but could not handle the job and quit. And now she is going to be the typical lawyer. Lawyers are common and corrupt. I am sure she does not know the difference between right and wrong and is just another relativist opportunist.

She will have very few options in law. Aviation law or private practice will be it because she will be seen as a career changer and excluded from hiring, preferred internships, and other prized positions. The only lawyers hired for the prime positions are those who are not jaded. And she will be seen as jaded just by her resume a mile away.

In the interviews the question will be asked,"why did you quit as an airline pilot?" Whatever answer she gives the interviewers will look at her body language and discount the entire answer as another jaded individual not not worth hiring.

I am sure she will dispute everything I am saying but mark my words she will fall flat on her face and end up married with a large student loan and a few half stories of the old airline days as she flight instructs in a C152 maybe doing divorce law and chasing ambulances. And the poor sucker who marries her will be divorced within a few years.

She is extremely typical and an easy book to read. INCOMING! Hit the deck!

Yawn..your jealousy dips with each word. It probably is not the only thing about you that leaks hence your irritable attitude.

As far as your career comments go, those with similar high gpa's in my classes now at the end of year two have already had the opportunity to be interviewed by several firms. I am looking at offers provided I graduate and pass the bar. I'd venture to guess the salary and benefits are just a little higher than the crumbs you will be making and hoping to retire on. Please take that sentence as sarcastically as possible.

Why I left the career? Besides having to work with sniveling tools like yourself suffering from Peyronie's Disease, the airline career is a dead end.

Finally, I am leaning towards tax law and criminal defense. Let me know if you ever need some help defending yourself against viewing child porn or bestiality charges. I'll give you an airline discount but I doubt you'll be able to afford it from the looks of things already.

Did you permanently give up the Pocono pilot ID?