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This is what happened at USAIR.
Outsourcing your Job
One issue that we want to address is the continued outsourcing of our airline to the “regional carriers.” These are the former jobs of US Airways pilots and former US Airways pilots (read furloughees). Our routes that are being flown by the likes of Republic, Mesa, Air Wisconsin and PSA equate to more than 1,500 Captains and 3,000 fewer First Officers on our property. The size of our route structure remains constant. Recall the cities that were flown when we flew 450 aircraft with 6,000+ pilots (just on the East); we still fly to those same cities, the difference is that 2/3rds of our departures are being flown by contract “regional carriers.” Every RJ you see equates to 14 former mainline jobs. As you count these scurrying jets on the ramp and count the number of 170s on mainline gates, you will get a clear understanding what has happened to our careers — why you are not a Captain; why you have been on reserve for an eternity and worst of all, why we continue to have brother and sister pilots on the street. As stated clearly by Management in a recent Crew News, the continuation of this outsourcing, as well as possible increases in this outsourced flying, is a strategic business plan. We need to enhance our scope provisions in our next negotiations in an effort to recapture the routes of our airline. ALPA gave away the store in this area (and many others), and it has been one of the most devastating losses this pilot group suffered, in our opinion ranking second just after our pension giveaway by ALPA. With Mesa Airlines’ recent bankruptcy, it is time to evaluate the regional outsourcing, and we must maintain our focus on protecting our future and the jobs not only lost, but the potential loss of more jobs to future scope infringements.
 
First of all, PSA is not a contract carrier. They are a wholly owned regional airline of US Air Group. Second, the mainline pilots enacted jet for jobs on the PSA pilots as well as the 70+ seat jets and later managed to force an integrated seniority with the J4J's and the PSA pilots. Later managment wanted PSA to fly the CRJ900's, but the PSA pilots informed management that we would only consider it if we negotiated new pay rates for the aircraft and we refused to fly them with our forced consessionary pay rates. After we declined to fly the 900's they tried to produce the worse schedules they could in an attempt to beat us up in order to bend our will. We declined to fly the 900's inspite of management stating the QOL would improve with these new airframes and more people would upgrade. I haven't been at PSA or anywhere involved with US Airways since those days. However, as a mainline pilot myself I agree with tighter scope but I implore to you to use caution on who you point your finger at. Your wholly owned pilots of PSA and Piedmont need the support of their bigger brothers and sisters. The contract pilots of all the contract carriers need stricter control, just look at Beford over at Republic. He has an order for 40 C-Series jets he hopes to fly on any of our properties and feels the mainline pilots will loosen scope and allow him to operate a 140 passenger capable aircraft on our property. Scope needs to be taken back and strengthen. So yes the UAL/CAL merger need to do just this take back scope. US Airways guys need to first work out their differences and then need to take back scope and get rid of the contract carriers or at leaset force them to shrink. Just my 2 cents
 
This is what happened at USAIR.
Outsourcing your Job
One issue that we want to address is the continued outsourcing of our airline to the “regional carriers.” These are the former jobs of US Airways pilots and former US Airways pilots (read furloughees). Our routes that are being flown by the likes of Republic, Mesa, Air Wisconsin and PSA equate to more than 1,500 Captains and 3,000 fewer First Officers on our property. The size of our route structure remains constant. Recall the cities that were flown when we flew 450 aircraft with 6,000+ pilots (just on the East); we still fly to those same cities, the difference is that 2/3rds of our departures are being flown by contract “regional carriers.” Every RJ you see equates to 14 former mainline jobs. As you count these scurrying jets on the ramp and count the number of 170s on mainline gates, you will get a clear understanding what has happened to our careers — why you are not a Captain; why you have been on reserve for an eternity and worst of all, why we continue to have brother and sister pilots on the street. As stated clearly by Management in a recent Crew News, the continuation of this outsourcing, as well as possible increases in this outsourced flying, is a strategic business plan. We need to enhance our scope provisions in our next negotiations in an effort to recapture the routes of our airline. ALPA gave away the store in this area (and many others), and it has been one of the most devastating losses this pilot group suffered, in our opinion ranking second just after our pension giveaway by ALPA. With Mesa Airlines’ recent bankruptcy, it is time to evaluate the regional outsourcing, and we must maintain our focus on protecting our future and the jobs not only lost, but the potential loss of more jobs to future scope infringements.

Doosh:
Are you saying this as a Us Air pilot? Woops!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848411

Or as a United Pilot? Double woops!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1224345#post1224345

Doosh:
You must have forgotten to take your meds again.
So what's your man doing after his furlough? I mean, after all, they (Us Air) is getting rid of those 190's.
 
ALPA gave away scope. ALPA gave our jobs away to pay for training kids. DALPA gave away more scope than any other airline.
Truth is, there is no hope without scope and USAPA has a lot of pieces to pick up after the ALPA sponsored carnage at this airline.
 

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