CAL and AA are going to China

[AAflyer]

Order 2005-2-14, the Department has tentatively decided to award Continental Airlines, Inc. (Continental) and American Airlines, Inc. (American) certificate authority to provide combination services in the U.S.-China market and to allocate Continental and American seven weekly combination frequencies, respectively, for their proposed services. The rights would become available to Continental on March 25, 2005, and to American on March 25, 2006. We also tentatively decide to select American as a backup to Continental¿s primary award for 2005 and Delta Air Lines, Inc. (Delta) as a backup to American¿s primary award for 2006. Further, we tentatively decide to allocate the 12 weekly all-cargo frequencies available on March 25, 2006, as follows: three weekly frequencies each to Federal Express Corporation (FedEx), Northwest Airlines, Inc. (Northwest), Polar Air Cargo, Inc. (Polar), and United Parcel Service, Co. (UPS).

AAflyer

 

[MedFlyer]

No surprises here. CO and AA had the strongest cases.

DL's case was weak because there just isn't much traffic between China and the southeastern US.

 

[furloughfodder]

We can we find this posted?

Thanks. (Actually more interested in the Polar deal... because I thought we already had that authority)

 

[AAflyer]

Furloughfodder,

Sorry, I should have mentioned that. I got it off of another message board. If it is valid AA will have somthing on this shortly. Will cut and paste.

AA

 

[furloughfodder]

Thanks, found it on Reuters.


(see you guys down at the Xiangyang Copy Market).

 

[Paul R. Smith]

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/markets/rosssnel/10209995.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

 

[P38JLightning]

ok silly question...

So why can't they give it to everyone who applies? Is airspace congestion over the north Pacific that busy? (DAL 99 Heavy, slow to .67 for for the next 4000 miles for spacing)

Don't even say they're worried about too much competition, cause we all now that ain't the case. (99 dollar fares for everyone! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!)

 

[MedFlyer]

So why can't they give it to everyone who applies? Is airspace congestion over the north Pacific that busy? (DAL 99 Heavy, slow to .67 for for the next 4000 miles for spacing)

Don't even say they're worried about too much competition, cause we all now that ain't the case. (99 dollar fares for everyone! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!)

The bilateral aviation agreement between China and the US restricts how many flights US carriers can have into China (and vice a versa). There are limitations set on both passenger and cargo flights. Last year, the two countries came to an agreement that allowed for additional flights. Hence, the new flights for CO and AA.

The US has similar agreements with other countries throughout the world. However, some countries have an "Open Skies" agreement with the US. This type of agreement sets no limits on the number of flights or carriers between the two countries.

 

[General Lee]

India just started an "open sky" policy with the US, and DL will now fly to Chennai, and NW just applied for Bangalore. That is dissapointing about Beijing, though. We did one of the first over the pole flights as a test with one of our 777s to Beijing from JFK.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[C-150ETOPS]

That is dissapointing about Beijing, though. We did one of the first over the pole flights as a test with one of our 777s to Beijing from JFK.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Delta has only 8 777's, what did you expect?

 

[furloughfodder]

India just started an "open sky" policy with the US, and DL will now fly to Chennai

You can HAVE Chennai. Enjoy.

 

[sgu]

Is that a new StarBucks product?

 

[densoo]

What will this mean for new hiring at CAL and AA? One extra 777 trip per day drives how many more pilots in that equipment?

 

[iaflyer]

India just started an "open sky" policy with the US, and DL will now fly to Chennai, and NW just applied for Bangalore.

Those flights to India should be real money makers. Always packed if I recall. For a while NW was flying a B744 to Mumbai as opposed to the normal DC10.

That's where Delta and other majors need to focus their energies - not trying to compete with Airtran to Dallas, but the long haul stuff.

iaflyer

 

[80drvr]

What will this mean for new hiring at CAL and AA? One extra 777 trip per day drives how many more pilots in that equipment?

It will be two flights each day (1 each way) and should require about 48 pilots.

 

[jbDC9]

What will this mean for new hiring at CAL and AA? One extra 777 trip per day drives how many more pilots in that equipment?

AA, hiring?? Man, now that's funny! Have you seen how many guys they have out on furlough lately? I wouldn't expect them to be hiring for a few more years...

CAL, on the other hand... rumor has it that they might be hiring off the street by summer. But then again, there's too many RJs taking over and with contract concessions looming overhead... who really knows.

 

[G4G5]

You can HAVE Chennai. Enjoy.

For those of you not familiar with Chennai, it is the 4th largest city in India and you can have it.

I have been there on more then on occasion and this route will no doubt go Jr very Jr. It is the first and only place I ever saw a person, lift skirt and drop load right in front of me IN the airport terminal.

 

[G4G5]

AA, hiring?? Man, now that's funny! Have you seen how many guys they have out on furlough lately? I wouldn't expect them to be hiring for a few more years...

CAL, on the other hand... rumor has it that they might be hiring off the street by summer. But then again, there's too many RJs taking over and with contract concessions looming overhead... who really knows.

CAL no longer owns Express, so unlike AA their mgt has no desire to continually give routes to Eagle.

Eagle is hiring. AA is not.

 

[Hoot R. Hunter]

Welcome to the CRAAPA hotline for Wednesday February 23. First, the big news, especially to all you naysayers that said concessions would not yield results. The government is throwing some international flying our way. They feel, as does your leadership, that flying to a country known for its sweatshop wages should rightly be flown by pilots eager to work for the same. In unrelated news, me and my peeps have completed our annual winter circle jerk and I feel like I might as well pass out a little info to the handful of you that actually care. So here it is:
1. We worked long and hard. Many days we had to pass resolutions to work past the noon quitting time mandated by our bylaws. This resulted in many missed tee times. It also inconvenienced many of our senior executive counterparts who had to make arrangements on short-notice to find replacement caddies.
2. As much as we’d like not to, we’re gonna distribute the arbitration money that we reluctantly won from the company. The details remain to be worked out, but rest assured we going to ensure as much as possible goes to us senior guys and not those junior pukes who actually triggered the award by losing their jobs.
3. We signed another back room deal concerning the use of flight data. Now when you guys bone a crossing restriction or ain’t got your approach stabilized, we’re gonna know it and the company’s gonna know it. Now we won’t have to waste scarce dues money better spent on union parties defending the crews involved. This initiative should result in “clean kill” employment terminations. A win-win result for all of us real pros.
4. We spent much time behind closed doors with our management friends shrouded under the protection of signed secrecy agreements. I can proudly report that management has assured us that our hundreds of millions in concessions are wisely being applied to finance RJ acquisitions which in turn fly mainline routes which in turn lose money which in turn cause more furloughs which in turn provide quality RJ captain positions to many of our members. Money well spent, I think you’ll agree.
5. Finally, we’re gonna blow some green studying how to undercut ourselves on the open market by recapturing the 70-110 seat flying that we already own at rates already in-place contractually in aircraft the company says they don’t want to buy. A tough challenge but we’re up to it
That’s all for today, please stop calling.

 

[bayoubandit]

Priceless!!!