C-5 crash video

[The_Russian]

Here is the crash video from the Air Force on the Dover accident.

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[positiveg]

Very interesting. If it wasn't for those powerlines they might have made it.

 

[RJP]

That was not too smooth. No monday-morning QB here but it seems like a pooch somewhere was walking bow-legged. At least they all walked away.

 

[Steeler Fan]

If you've done practice engine inop, you get so used to flying with unmatched throttles, that when the real situation happens, I could see why the crew left one in idle. That throttle swap was pretty insidious. I remember that at one airline I was at, the QRH/Checklist had a step that had you match all the throttles together, specifically to preclude this from happening. I'm just glad nobody died. Hopefully, we'll all learn from this.

(Go Steelers)

 

[OrionFE]

I remember that at one airline I was at, the QRH/Checklist had a step that had you match all the throttles together, specifically to preclude this from happening.

That is what we do on the 74.

 

[pkober]

Very interesting. If it wasn't for those powerlines they might have made it.

Me thinks it wasn't the powerlines that brought the airplane down.

One thing that is always amazing me is how much talking takes place in the cockpit. It's the same in the Herc and it must get worse on FRED. When the AC said he was "concerned" thats when the talking stopped and no one questioned him.

CLAMBAKE

 

[Vicman]

Fred

correct me if i'm wrong, is FRED a nickname for the C5? i know that the Travis birds used that call sign alot while flying locals.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

When the AC said he was "concerned" thats when the talking stopped and no one questioned him.

This is a critical element of what happened. A loss of Situational Awareness.

Some one (AC) said I'm concerned. What was he concered about? He never stated his concern and no one asked what his concern was.....

It is difficult to address a concern if it is not identifed.

Thoughts? Discuss....

 

[pkober]

Fred

F *^&$d
U P
E Conomic
D Isaster

 

[Steve]

Fred

F *^&$d
U P
E Conomic
D Isaster

That spells Fued not Fred

 

[McGillicutty]

I remember that at one airline I was at, the QRH/Checklist had a step that had you match all the throttles together, specifically to preclude this from happening.

Either that or push the inop all the way forward. We had a flameout recently and pushed the inop lever forward; no questions as to which engine was dead.

 

[Dep676]

I was told by a person that investigated this that they were not using the good engine. They had one good engine at idle and were moving the power lever for the engine that quit. Also had to much flap in. Another interesting tid bit is that all the pilots were some senior instructors. Makes you wonder what they teach. Then again the old saying those who can, can and those who can't teach.

 

[BigPappa]

And those who can't teach,teach gym!:laugh:

 

[frog_flyer]

they were fine until the control switch.

Who was in command of the aircraft after the switch?

cool video though. Im going to see what else they have

 

[Fox-Tree]

I was told by a person that investigated this that they were not using the good engine. They had one good engine at idle and were moving the power lever for the engine that quit. .....

Thanks for the news flash. I guess you didn't bother to watch the video that started this thread. What you just said is exactly what the video showed.

 

[pkober]

Sorry,

FRED

F ^CK*^G
R idiculous
E conomic
D isaster

 

[flyboyike]

Am I to understand that in the cockpit full of pilots, nobody noticed that there were two sets of engine gauges showing 0 and idle respectively? Nobody thought something was up?

 

[h25b]

Am I to understand that in the cockpit full of pilots, nobody noticed that there were two sets of engine gauges showing 0 and idle respectively? Nobody thought something was up?

Um.... Yes....

 

[pkober]

It's not a cockpit full of pilots. Two, maybe a third standing. The lesson to take is to not assume everything is "ops normal" during an emergency. Always double check.

I'm not gonna throw darts at these guys. I've seen some great pilots do things that make you scratch your head during an emergency, both civilian and military.

CLAMBAKE

 

[h25b]

It's not a cockpit full of pilots. Two, maybe a third standing. The lesson to take is to not assume everything is "ops normal" during an emergency. Always double check.

I'm not gonna throw darts at these guys. I've seen some great pilots do things that make you scratch your head during an emergency, both civilian and military.

CLAMBAKE

I think the lesson, from listening to the conversations going on, would be to treat an emergency like an emergency. They seemed to be treating the whole situation like a science experiment. Seemed like they were just going about flying a normal approach and landing without taking the time to get all their ducks in a row, pool all of their collective knowledge, and come to a sound consensus on the situation.

They were turning on to final approach still questioning the appropriate configuration and other details.

What was the big hurry to land so overweight in the first place ? Not being a smarta$$... I just would like the answer because I'm not all that familiar with the circumstances or the aircraft... I mean after all, it was Dover, not Iraq, no one was getting shot at...