Buying a type rating

[AA717driver]

Companies who lose people after typing them generally don't pay or have lousy QOL or both.

I didn't go back to AA because it was such a wonderful place to work...TC

 

[brokeflyer]

I think alot of companies are also very tired of low-life pilots getting typed rated, then they leave in 2 months. This happens way too much, and that is the ONLY reason the industry has turned into what it has over time. I don't know any pilot who, if offered, say a Gulfstream V type-rating with a company....but they had to stay there for at least a year, would not do it and stay. But its those pilots like a guy I sort of know who got his Global Express type with Turnberry, then left 3 weeks later for a better job. It kills us all.

Pilots made this happen, not the companies. Companies that can afford a $30 million plane can care less about a $30,000-$50,000 type rating. But when they think they could get completely screwed in the $#^ by that pilot and that money is a waste, well, you can't blame them for not paying anymore.

If they paid the pilot what he's worth they wouldn't have that problem. What does it is low-life managment that pads their pockets for jerking off on the pilots they make pay for training.

we can play these games all night but i got better things to do. You got your golden parachute insurance paid?

 

[skipro101]

Not to beat this any further, but there are pilots who always see greener grass.....

Anyways....Thanks for all the thoughts.

 

[Fly91]

If they paid the pilot what he's worth they wouldn't have that problem. What does it is low-life managment that pads their pockets for jerking off on the pilots they make pay for training.

we can play these games all night but i got better things to do. You got your golden parachute insurance paid?

Then the pilot should not go there and keep looking for a better job. By excepting the alleged low-pay job and get that free type...all the while knowing they are going to leave on them in a couple months....they are the thief pilots that we don't need in the industry. Make a deal and fullfil it, don't leave on them. And most companies that pay a little lower to the pilot that they need to type-rate is because of just that....they need to spend $30,000-$50,000 to type-rating them. Thats a huge cost and needs to be looked at by the pilot as part of his/her pay for that year. If you're happy after a year, re-negotiate your salary. If they liek you, they will pay you more to keep you, rather than have to go throuigh the hiring and possibly type-rating process again, its a gamble each time they do that. They don't want to do that.

Problem is: Alot of pilots want to start at the top and work their way up.

 

[brokeflyer]

having a training contract and paying for your type are 2 diffrent things.

one costs the pilot a ********************load of money....the other just costs him some time.

either way the employer wins.

 

[Fly91]

having a training contract and paying for your type are 2 diffrent things.

I understand that. I'm just saying that pilots complain about companies that don't pay for types at the time they are hired, but we all know that pilots caused this problem by skipping out on companies with free types. I remember just back in 1998, every single company in the southeast anyway, paid for everyones types when they got hired. That party is over.

Not all companies, but a huge % of them now will not pay for initial types anymore. Just the companies that have big dollars and properly run flight departments. Part 91 too, you can forget about ever having a Part 135 operator pay for an initial type at the same time they hire you. You might get lucky and get hired along with them paying for a recurrent, maybe.

 

[StarHustler]

you can forget about ever having a Part 135 operator pay for an initial type at the same time they hire you. You might get lucky and get hired along with them paying for a recurrent, maybe.

Actually, plenty of Part 135 companies will pay for your initial type. My Hawker type was paid for just two years ago by a Charter company but I did submit to a one year 'training contract'. My current company (same owner, different certificate) paid for my GIII type back in May with no contract (only a verbal agreement, which in my case, is even stronger than a written contract). I do agree however, that if a company types you, you should not expect top wages in the first year (you should also not expect crap wages either). After the one year mark however, you should be brought up to industry standards.

 

[Fly91]

Actually, plenty of Part 135 companies will pay for your initial type. My Hawker type was paid for just two years ago by a Charter company but I did submit to a one year 'training contract'. My current company (same owner, different certificate) paid for my GIII type back in May with no contract (only a verbal agreement, which in my case, is even stronger than a written contract). I do agree however, that if a company types you, you should not expect top wages in the first year (you should also not expect crap wages either). After the one year mark however, you should be brought up to industry standards.

Where is that charter company located that typed you with the training contract?

Thing is here in Florida, the Supreme Court made it impossible for a company to go after a pilot who does not fullfil a training contract. They are unenforceable in this state. The company is screwed. Thats why pilots just go ahead and sign them anyway, if they can even find a company around here that'll do it anymore. If a Part 135 company "is smart" and needs a pilot real bad and has found what they think is a good candidate to pay for their initial type at the time of hiring....they give that pilot a personal loan with a promissory note. That is something a company can sue for and collect on immediately by way of wage garnishment or judgement. My friend is a new instructor at Simuflite on the Challeneger 300, he had to sign a personal loan and a promissory note, he has to stay for two years.

And if a pilot does leave right after they get typed at a company, they obviously went to a good job so they can get paid back after they win in court. Its almost non-existent for a charter company to type-rate some guy they don't know at the time of being hired here in Florida. Part 91, different story, but around here you normally cannot get a "good" Part 91 job without an in-house reference.

 

[StarHustler]

Where is that charter company located that typed you with the training contract?

Fair Wind Air Charter out of SUA

 

[Fly91]

Fair Wind Air Charter out of SUA

I know that company. They may have learned that training contracts are worthless by now and probably wouldn't hand out any more type ratings. Especially if they don't know the pilot who is applying. Maybe if they know the guy. Either way, Part 135 companies anywhere in Florida and in most of the country these days, paying for type-ratings for new hires is just about a thing of the past. They would need to be pretty desperate.