buthole captain

[westwind driver]

What's wrong with an after takeoff checklist after takeoff? Is it normal procedure to do it as challenge/response where you are flying? High density or not, that is when you do the after takeoff checklist...after takeoff. I can only speak for my airline, but challenge/response on most of the checklists is standard. There are some silent checklists too, but if you can't fly, look out for traffic, and do a checklist then you need more practice. Just my opinion.

The sterile cockpit thing is understandable.

After takeoff most items are 'memory' and can generally be done by flow, therefore effectively making the after-takeoff checklist just that, a checklist and not a do-list.

I never pick up the checklist after departure until we are radar identified and given a climb to a higher altitude.

After all, how hard is it?

Gear up lights out, flaps up and indicating up, thrust reversers off/unarm, YD/AP (PF's discretion), ignition (PF's discretion) taxi lights off, climb power (PF's responsibility)

Items on the after-takeoff are not safety sensitive generally, therefore it can wait until at least things start slowing down and both pilots are on the same page. The best time to do it is on the way up to or above 10,000 with the autopilot on.

BTW, I run the after T/O, climb, cruise and descent checklists before the other guy asks for it. We use a mix of challenge and reponse and 'if you have time to do it, please do and advise me when it is done and/or the status.'

Alot of times the captain says 'climb check please' and I reply 'complete, all items satisfactory'
Or if I run the checklist without being prompted, I let the other guy know 'climb check is compete.'

 

[typhoonpilot]

I never pick up the checklist after departure

I haven't picked up a checklist in 2.5 years. I do push a button that says checklist on it though . Gotta love modern technology.

I'm with the majority here, an after takeoff checklist isn't that difficult to do. If you happen to be very busy when it is called for, then just delay doing it until you are not as busy.

TP

 

[TIS]

Your after take-off checklist is command and response?

My company's is too. What's the problem with that? It's not that difficult (or that unusual for that matter) if it's your SOP to do it that way.

For some reason, the weakest aviators, and the ones who rigidly adhere to SOP seem to be the ones that are the most annoying to fly with and get into the most trouble. I think it is because they throw the other person's rhythm off so bad or alienate them so much, that they are basically flying single pilot.

So what are you saying here? Are you trying to say that adherence to SOP is a sign of a weak pilot? And this business about rhythm - SOP dictates what the "rhythm" should be. If anyone in the cockpit of an aircraft requiring more than one pilot is thrown by that, they're not qualified, on the most basic level, to even be there.

Having been there I can tell you that SOP will save your butt when you've been flying for many hours to get to BFE and you're trying to make sense of their screwy approach procedure, and trying to avoid their mountains, and trying to understand what they're saying on the radio, and get the sunshade poistioned so that blinding sunrise isn't quite so objectionable while you do all of this. Being able to fall back on something you know like the back of your hand really helps. But maybe that's just me.

If Captain Jackhole feels he needs to nitpick you or tell you how to fly to keep himself in the loop, then so be it.

Exactly! Because ya know what? Sometimes the FOs do things that AREN'T right and sometimes it's the captains. It's the JOB of the other guy to point it out when it happens! It's interesting though, isn't it, how it's always an a$$hole captain who's the problem and not an FO who needs a little more time in seat.

Sorry, but if you can do the job then you have my respect and appreciation. If you can't don't blame me for the things you can't cope with.

TIS

 

[KSUPILOT]

I guess I was pretty hot when I wrote this the other day. Let ME clairfy somethings.

As one person wrote it is more comfortable to fly with a compfortable captain and some of the best are easier to get along with.

The thing about me saying "sterile Cockpit" my exact words were "We can discuss this on the ground, we are almost there" (we were only going from one ny airport to another)

My biggest problem with this guy is I am the rookie and thank God they just got another rookie, but I am the only person who was not cried to the Chief Pilot. When we got to our destination the other day I spoke with him and explained where I am coming from and he explained well it is all sop's. So in a fit of rage I pulled the SOP's out of the closet and handed them to him and asked him to explain call outs that he was demanding and such. He was not able to find them. This is guy who had a midlife crisis and decided to leave his job and join the flying force at 50+ when our company was all new.

He is probaly the weirdest Captain in are fleet. All of the other guys are telling me that I should not be an SIc and should be a captain and my flying is great, even the chief pilots agree. But right now we do not have an opening. 9 planes and too many pics.

As for the 15,000 hours that is a typo from when I opened this accont a long time back it was suppose to say 1,500 but now it is aprox 3,500.

As for the after takeoff checklist I do my normal flow which incorporates everything, and it is known to everyone in our company as a silent checklist. Pretty much that and the cruise checklist are the ones that are not command and response. I mean it is quite simple gear, flasps, valves yaw, apr, sync and ignitions. But he wants me to do a flow and then come back with command and response. I just think that this is way overkill!

Thanks for listening and giving your input.

ksupilot

 

[say again]

After takeoff most items are 'memory' and can generally be done by flow, therefore effectively making the after-takeoff checklist just that, a checklist and not a do-list.

I never pick up the checklist after departure

There's an after t/o checklist?? I thought we just said "checklist complete" to satisfy the feds!!! I'll pick it up- upside down, sideways, just for show of course

 

[Hawker rider]

out of cusiosity, what kind of airplane are we talking about?

 

[Hawker rider]

Excuse me, but i just read a few of your other posts made here before. You have 500 multi, but still believe you should be captain in a multi crew airplane?

a lot of the stuff i read from you doesn't seem to add up. I don't think i would be very happy with having you sit to the right of me during work hours.

Do you consider yourself God's gift to aviation by any chance?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

So in a fit of rage I pulled the SOP's out of the closet

This could be a factor in the communication process, no?

 

[Daveman]

If one cant run a quick 6 item after takeoff check without getting distracted then one shouldn't be chewing gun, nevermind piloting...
1-2000ft...um...a bit low...yes, but some guys are very impatient, as soon as its cleaned up they call for the list. Just say "I'll get it in a sec" and continue monitoring until you feel comfy doing it.

Once again I'm in agreement with G-200. When I'm the PF and I call for after T/O checks all I want to hear is after T/O checks complete. Maybe a min. or maybe 10 mins., depends on the situation. Hopefully before the 180 check.

Bro, I'm glad I fly with the same group as I do. Everything standard once we strap in.

 

[Daveman]

And It's BuTThole, like Butthole surfers. Two "t"s.

 

[KSUPILOT]

Well I am sorry I ever even posted anything on here. I am offically signing off from this website. You can not post anything on here without getting someone to blast on your question.

 

[Daveman]

Well I am sorry I ever even posted anything on here. I am offically signing off from this website. You can not post anything on here without getting someone to blast on your question.

Bro' I believe some guys post the truth. It may be harsh, but ya' gotta deal with it! When I'm in a pub with a true Irishman, I might slap him in the face for no good reason, doesn't mean I don't love 'im.
Deal with it or be gone!

 

[Lequip]

Excuse me, but i just read a few of your other posts made here before. You have 500 multi, but still believe you should be captain in a multi crew airplane?

a lot of the stuff i read from you doesn't seem to add up. I don't think i would be very happy with having you sit to the right of me during work hours.

Do you consider yourself God's gift to aviation by any chance?

Amen Hawker. God Forbid that Mr KSU 1500 hour wonder pilot should listen to what his Captain is telling him. A Captain never has to be a Captain when he has a good FO and that isn't the case with this Idiot. Sounds like KSU pilot got put in his place and he didn't like it.....Boo Friggin Hoo you punk. I miss flying with wet behind the ears new bies who think they know it all.

 

[Geronimo4497]

Exactly!

You know it, dang low time punks. We should all be shot....... HEHE

I agree with what your saying. Ignoracne/Arogance makes for a very uncomfortable cockpit. (Yes, I can't spell, but its not my fault, its the captains)

 

[Daveman]

Well I am sorryI ever even posted anything on here. I am offically signing off from this website. You can not post anything on here without getting someone to blast on your question.

Later!, much