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Fatal Flying on Airlines No Accident in Pilot Complaints to FAA

December 30, 2009, 12:13 PM EST

By Caroline Salas
Dec. 30 (Bloomberg) -- On the evening of Dec. 10, 2007, pilot Kenny Edwards got the order to fly a Continental Airlines Inc. commuter flight from Tampa, Florida, to West Palm Beach. He told his dispatch supervisor he wouldn’t do it.
The plane’s collision avoidance system was broken, and a worn seal around the main cabin door made it difficult to maintain air pressurization above 10,000 feet, he told his bosses.
Gulfstream International Airlines Inc., which operated the Continental flight, ordered Edwards to fly the 19-passenger Beechcraft 1900D turboprop plane anyway, Edwards says. He refused. As a result, he was fired.
Edwards filed a complaint with the Federal Aviation Administration, bringing into focus the hidden dangers of flying on regional airlines, which account for half of all scheduled passenger flights in the U.S., Bloomberg Markets magazine reported.
In May 2009, the FAA found that Gulfstream had violated multiple regulations; it proposed a $1.3 million fine. Gulfstream is appealing the penalty, which would be the largest ever for a regional, says FAA spokeswoman Alison Duquette.
FAA inspectors found that Fort Lauderdale-based Gulfstream put planes in the air even after the company’s own staff had repeatedly reported malfunctions in the aircraft.
Gulfstream crews documented seven times in a month that one turboprop had faulty landing gear; eventually that plane touched down without wheels under its nose, on its belly. Gulfstream also scheduled crew members to work more hours than allowed, according to the FAA.

Automotive Parts

And the airline had installed automotive parts not certified by the FAA for use in airplanes. Edwards, 44, has sued Gulfstream (which isn’t related to business jet manufacturer Gulfstream Aerospace Corp.) under a Florida whistle-blower law, alleging the company retaliated against him by firing him.
“They were trying to force pilots to fly airplanes that weren’t in any condition to fly,’” Edwards says. “They did everything to cut costs, and they seemed to be crossing a line to where it was not safe.”
Edwards’s concerns resonate across the U.S. for millions of people who fly regional airlines every year for business and pleasure. Companies like Gulfstream run the fleets that Delta Air Lines Inc., UAL Corp.’s United Airlines, Continental and most other majors use for commuter flights.

Fatal Crash

Continental Flight 3407, operated by Colgan Air Inc., smashed in icy weather on Feb. 12, 2009, outside of Buffalo, New York, killing all 49 people on board and one person on the ground.
The plane’s captain had been trained by Gulfstream, which also has an aviation school known as Gulfstream Academy. The pilot and his first officer may have erred in responding to a stall warning by pulling up the nose of the plane rather than pointing it down to increase speed, the National Transportation Safety Board found.
Gulfstream also trained the co-pilot on the last fatal commercial airline flight before the Continental crash. That involved a Delta commuter plane, operated by Comair Inc., which used the wrong runway in Lexington, Kentucky, in August 2006, killing 49 people.
Gulfstream also previously employed the two pilots who crashed a Pinnacle Airlines Inc. plane with no passengers after deciding to fly at their jet’s maximum altitude to have fun, the NTSB found. They crashed and died in Jefferson City, Missouri, in October 2004. The first officer attended Gulfstream Academy, according to the NTSB.

A Coincidence

Gulfstream Chief Executive Officer David Hackett says it’s just a coincidence that the crashes were piloted by graduates from the company’s academy.
“The analogy we like to use is: You’re 25 years old; you had a car accident; who taught you to drive at 16?” Hackett says.
Pilots for regionals are often less experienced than those who fly for the majors and are forced to work more-grueling schedules, says U.S. Senator Mark Begich, a Democrat from Alaska who sits on the Aviation Subcommittee of the Senate Commerce Committee.
Regional companies handled more than 158 million passengers in 2008, according to the Washington-based Regional Airline Association. Regional flights usually bear the names of their major airline partners.

Five Crashes

That leaves many passengers unaware that the planes they fly on -- and the pilots who command them -- may not match the safety standards of the airline whose name they see on their tickets, Begich says.
The last five fatal crashes of commercial passenger carriers in the U.S. involved planes operated by regional airlines, according to the NTSB.
Major airlines contract out to regionals to lower their expenses by getting around union agreements, says Captain Paul Rice, first vice president of the Air Line Pilots Association, the world’s largest pilot union, with about 53,000 members.
“The way the industry is structured is that management will go out and find a new airline and start siphoning off the business to whoever will fly for cheaper,” says Rice, 52, a pilot at United for 23 years.
“The American public is only just starting to wake up to that,” Rice says. “What they are buying is the lowest-cost operation that’s available.”

Guaranteed Cockpit Time

Pilots, mechanics and crew schedulers say Gulfstream International doesn’t want to hear complaints about safety. Founded in 1988 as a charter airline, Gulfstream now flies commuter planes for Continental and United, mostly in Florida and the Bahamas. Gulfstream has never had a fatal accident.
Pilots say Gulfstream has an unhealthy relationship between its airline and its flight school. Gulfstream’s training program is different from others, because it guarantees students time as a first officer, the No. 2 position in the cockpit, flying passengers for its own airline, Gulfstream says on it Web site.
“We offer the fastest possible transition to the ‘Right Seat’ of a commercial airliner,” Gulfstream says.
For $32,699, students get 522 hours of training -- including 250 hours as a first officer for Gulfstream International Airlines. That means student pilots are paying Gulfstream for the privilege of flying as first officers.
“Gulfstream is selling the job,” says Charlie Preusser, a regional airline pilot who flew for Manassas, Virginia-based Colgan Air. “When you’ve got a guy fronting the cash, there’s a lot of pressure on the company to keep him onboard no matter how bad he is.”

Meeting Standards

Gulfstream CEO Hackett says all of the airline’s first officers meet FAA standards to fly a commercial airline.
Gulfstream International Group Inc., the parent of both the airline and the flight school, went public in December 2007.
Its share price dropped 21 percent in the week following the May 21, 2009, FAA-proposed fine. The stock has tumbled a total of 51 percent to $1.42 as of Dec. 29. In the four quarters ending September 30, 2009, the company reported $6.5 million in losses, with $88.7 million in revenue.
Gulfstream’s initial public offering was underwritten by Taglich Brothers Inc., a New York brokerage that publishes research on 31 companies with market values of less than $250 million. Michael Taglich, president and chairman of the firm, is Gulfstream’s largest individual shareholder, regulatory filings show.
“Gulfstream didn’t do anything materially wrong, and I’m confident that there’s no material substance to the FAA allegations,” Taglich says.

Shares Downgraded

Taglich Brothers, the only company that rates Gulfstream stock, downgraded its recommendation on the shares to “neutral” from “speculative buy” in June because of the proposed FAA penalty.
In October, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to toughen training requirements so that an airline pilot would need 1,500 flight hours, up from 250 currently. The Senate hasn’t yet voted on that measure.
“It’s clear there’s a difference between the major airlines and the regionals,” Senator Begich says. “It’s bad business and bad safety procedure for the majors not to understand that whatever standards they’re living by, they should have the same standards for their regionals.”
One of the FAA’s top priorities is making performance consistent across major and regional airlines, says spokeswoman Duquette.

‘Definitely Acknowledge’

“We definitely acknowledge there needs to be a greater level of professionalism,” she says of regional airlines.
On June 15, the FAA asked airlines in the U.S. for written commitments showing they’ve started or planned accident- prevention programs; 98 percent have done so, the FAA said in October.
Roger Cohen, president of the Regional Airline Association, says the more than 30 companies he represents follow all federal regulations.
“There is no gap between major airlines and regionals on safety because it is the No. 1 priority and the same for every airline,” he says. The association opposes raising minimum flight hours to 1,500 because that could discourage people from becoming pilots, Cohen says.
The major airlines say they trust their regional counterparts.

 

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‘Top Priority’

“Safety is Continental Airlines’ top priority, and we expect the same from our partners,” spokeswoman Julie King says. She declined to comment on Continental’s affiliation with Gulfstream.
United Airlines spokeswoman Megan McCarthy says, “All of our regional airline partners meet FAA and United’s own high standards.” US Airways Group Inc. spokeswoman Valerie Wunder declined to comment. Delta Air Lines spokeswoman Betsy Talton didn’t return calls for comment.
The majors don’t typically hire pilots straight out of flight school. Pilots usually get experience at regionals first and have accumulated about 4,000 hours of flight experience before they’re hired by the large airlines, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Regional airlines pay pilots annual salaries as low as $18,264, according to Kit Darby, a retired United Airlines captain who’s now a consultant and flight instructor in Atlanta. That salary level was below the official poverty line of $21,834 for a family of four in 2008, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

Pilots Commute

Pilots endure the low pay for the promise of six-figure salaries at the major airlines, says Darby, who has testified in civil cases for both defendants and plaintiffs as an expert on pilot hiring and compensation.
Pilots for regionals frequently commute across the U.S. for flights because they can’t afford to live near the airports where they’re based, Darby says.
Before operating a plane, they often sleep in crew lounges or at so-called crash pads, temporary apartments where as many as six pilots share a bedroom. Former Colgan pilot Preusser lived full time in a crash pad in Albany, New York, in 2007.
He says he slept on an air mattress and shared a room with three or four people. One pilot slept in a walk-in closet, he says. Many regional pilots can’t afford meals and keep track of which hotels offer free continental breakfasts, Preusser says.
Preusser says he remembers falling asleep in the cockpit while piloting a 50-seat Embraer RJ145. He had been on standby and was assigned at the last minute to fly a 7 p.m. flight from Dallas to Cincinnati.

‘It’s Very Scary’

The next day, he started at 5 a.m. and flew three more flights. On the final trip that day, he dozed off for a few seconds.
“That adds up to: Let’s just play Russian roulette with air traffic safety,” Preusser says. “In the pilot world, being aware of your environment and what the airplane is doing is absolutely requisite. You’re not fully conscious or even conscious at all and then you snap to, and it’s very scary.”
John Nance, a retired Air Force pilot who also flew for Alaska Airlines and has about 40 years of flying experience, says airlines are closing their eyes to issues of training, pay and living conditions among regional pilots.
“This business of see no evil, hear no evil doesn’t cut it,” says Nance, who’s testified for both plaintiffs and defendants in civil cases as an expert on air safety. “It is totally unacceptable legally, morally, ethically for any airline leadership to pretend they don’t know what they know.”

‘Fly Smart’

At Gulfstream Training Academy in Fort Lauderdale, the company tells prospective students that the school will teach them all they need to know about being commercial pilots.
“Jump-start your airline pilot career,” the academy says on its Web site. “Fly safe, fly smart, fly Gulfstream.”
The aviation school is about five miles (eight kilometers) from the Atlantic coast, and its campus is peppered with palm trees. Former Gulfstream pilot Edwards, who says the academy trained him well, says students would study sitting by the ocean.
“We would go to the beach and sit there in chairs on the sand and quiz each other,” he says.
Gulfstream pays its new first officers $19.01 an hour to fly. Before September, the trainee first officers were paid $8 an hour.
“I’ll stack our training program against any in the industry,” says Hackett, 48, a former director of financial planning at Continental who joined Gulfstream in 2003 and became CEO in 2006.

Broken Parts

Dan Brisco, a licensed pilot who spent 18 months as the lead mechanic at Gulfstream’s Tampa base until the end of 2007, says Gulfstream Airlines is more concerned with cutting expenses than in focusing on safety.
Brisco says Gulfstream routinely flew passengers on planes with broken parts, including wheels and landing gear.
“They push the airplanes out in whatever condition they’re in,” says Brisco, 51, who has more than 20 years of experience as an airline mechanic. “Unless they physically stop running, they’re not going to get any maintenance.”
Brisco says he left Gulfstream in 2007 after he repeatedly complained to his supervisor that the company’s operations were unsafe. He has since spoken with the FAA.
Gulfstream spokesman Bruce Hicks says Brisco never complained about safety issues.
When the FAA announced its proposed $1.3 million fine of Gulfstream in May 2009, the agency said the airline had installed unapproved air-conditioner compressors in its planes between September 2006 and May 2008.

Not FAA-Certified

Gulfstream has 23 Beechcraft 1900D turboprops, according to a Nov. 16, 2009, regulatory filing. Gulfstream bought automotive air-conditioner parts for its aircraft and modified them to use in planes, an FAA inspector found.
Such equipment isn’t certified for use on aircraft, the inspector wrote. Brisco says the danger of using non-FAA certified parts is that they could explode because they may not be able to withstand extreme temperature and air pressure changes.
FAA inspectors found that crews had repeatedly reported several malfunctioning parts on airplanes, including vapor cycle systems.
The FAA hasn’t yet collected the fine. FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown says she can’t comment on Gulfstream because the agency is in the middle of an enforcement action.
The agency hasn’t publicly released its inspectors’ reports. Former Gulfstream pilot Edwards obtained them through a Freedom of Information Act request.

No Safety Issue

Hackett says his company bought the same parts that are in FAA-approved air conditioners to make repairs that met FAA standards, so there was no safety issue.
“We believe what we did is correct,” he says. After the FAA inspection, Gulfstream replaced the parts with FAA-approved compressors.
Brisco says he remembers in May 2007 when the landing gear for the nose of a plane didn’t come down when arriving in Tampa. The plane landed on its belly and had to be evacuated on the runway, a risky maneuver that could have resulted in death or injuries, Brisco says.
Pilots had been complaining for several days that the gear wasn’t working properly, and mechanics were signing off on the safety of the aircraft without fixing it, Brisco says.
The FAA’s Service Difficulty Record database documents that May 11, 2007, landing. The files show that the pilots shut down one of the plane’s engines at an altitude of 1,000 feet (305 meters) and turned off the second engine before touching the ground.

Six More Reports

There were six other reports filed in the previous month about the landing gear malfunctioning on that same plane.
Gulfstream spokesman Hicks says the landing gear was a manufacturer’s shortcoming, not a maintenance issue. He says Gulfstream’s maintenance program has received the FAA’s diamond certificate of excellence for 13 consecutive years, including 2008.
That distinction is based solely on the number of hours personnel spend in training, says the FAA’s Duquette.
Gulfstream pushes fledgling pilots to fly for more hours in a day than the FAA allows, says Mary Hebig, who was a crew scheduler at Gulfstream from 2005 to 2007.
Hebig, 64, says she quit because she didn’t want to be responsible for scheduling pilots who were flying while fatigued and on unsafe aircraft.

 

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‘Like Their Mother’

“I just felt like their mother,” Hebig says. “Some of these kids are so young, and they want to do the right thing. They come out of the academy, and everyone is telling them, ‘You gotta suck up to Gulfstream, do what they say.’ These poor kids are brainwashed from the time they hit the street.”
Hackett says Hebig doesn’t understand FAA rules on flying hours.
Hebig, who worked the night shift, says she remembers seeing firetrucks in October 2006 surround an aircraft that took off from Fort Lauderdale and made an emergency return after an engine failed in flight.
“Thank God everybody made it back OK,” she said. “Two days later, the same aircraft went out of Fort Lauderdale again and had another return with the same engine and same result.”
Gulfstream fixed the engine after its second failure, she says.
“We train our pilots to be overly cautious,” Hackett says. “I’m not saying it’s an everyday matter, but sometimes engines don’t always work perfectly.”

Exceeding Limits

When the FAA announced its fine in May, it said Gulfstream hadn’t properly entered pilot flying hours from its manual, hard-copy logbooks into its computers. As a result, crew members flew more hours than the FAA allowed, both daily and weekly, the regulator found.
Gulfstream dispatchers were routinely working shifts exceeding the regulatory maximum of 10 hours, an FAA inspector wrote.
John Horton, director of safety at Gulfstream, told FAA inspector Terrence McMaster in May 2008 that most Aviation Safety Action Program reports -- confidential complaints filed by pilots without punitive consequences -- centered on crew members who worked more than their legal limit of 16 hours a day.
“Mr. Horton stated that in one case it was discovered by him, during the course of his investigation, that a crew scheduler had falsified flight times and duty times,” the FAA inspector wrote.

Never Falsified Records

Hackett says the FAA is confused by Gulfstream’s record keeping. He says the company never falsified flight or duty time records and doesn’t ask its pilots to fly more than the legal limits.
Edwards, the former Gulfstream pilot who’s now a whistle- blower, had long dreamed of becoming an aviator. The walls of his living room are decorated with images of airplanes from vintage travel posters.
Since leaving Gulfstream, he has made ends meet by working as a waiter in a sports bar and giving guitar lessons.
He attended Gulfstream Academy in 2000 and was hired by Gulfstream Airlines in 2001 as a first officer after accumulating about 460 hours of flight time, including the 250 he bought flying for the airline, he says.
Edwards, who’s 6 feet tall and sports a goatee, says his Dec. 10, 2007, flight assignment from Tampa to West Palm Beach wasn’t the first time he’d found a Gulfstream plane unsafe.

Stormy Weather

He refused to fly one of Gulfstream’s turboprops from West Palm Beach to Tampa in stormy weather on Oct. 1, 2007, because he says it didn’t have all of the equipment needed to safely approach an airport and steer the aircraft on the ground.
After he complained, Gulfstream gave him a work schedule that made it virtually impossible for him to fly home and see his wife in Phoenix, Edwards says. Edwards decided to quit. He gave Gulfstream two weeks’ notice several days before the Dec. 10 flight assignment.
The turboprop that day had a broken traffic and collision avoidance system, or TCAS, which shows pilots the location of other aircraft relative to their position in the air, Edwards says.
In addition, worn-out door seals meant the cabin wasn’t properly pressurized above 10,000 feet, he says.
Hackett says the TCAS on that airplane had been repaired, and it wasn’t needed anyway.
“I can tell you with certainty that maintenance signed it off,” Hackett says. “He inconvenienced a whole planeload of passengers for a plane that was legal to fly.”

Nothing Wrong

Gulfstream spokesman Hicks says there was nothing wrong with the plane’s air pressurization and that another pilot later flew the plane without incident.
Edwards says he saw maintenance workers remove the broken TCAS, which is a computer, lubricate its plug, and put it back in, saying it was fixed.
“I didn’t think that plane was safe to fly,” he says.
Federal Aviation Regulation Part 121.533 says, “Each pilot-in-command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft.”
Edwards says that on the evening he refused to take the plane in the air, Gulfstream’s director of operations told him he should consider his resignation effective immediately.
The next day, Dec. 11, 2007, Gulfstream sent Edwards a letter saying he was fired because he had refused to operate the flight.
“Your decision delayed the flight for over two hours and inconvenienced our customers without just cause,” the notice says.

Suit Contested

Edwards filed his lawsuit in September 2008 in Broward County under a Florida whistle-blower act that protects employees from retaliation if they complain about wrongdoing at their company. He’s seeking compensatory damages of more than $15,000.
In a court-filed response dated Nov. 11, 2008, Gulfstream denied any wrongdoing and requested dismissal of the case, which is pending.
The cost-cutting culture is pervasive at regional airlines, putting passenger safety at risk, says Scott Erickson, a captain at Pinnacle Airlines, based in Memphis, Tennessee, and head of Pinnacle’s pilots union.
Pinnacle Airlines Corp. owns Colgan, which operated the Continental commuter that crashed near Buffalo. Pinnacle spokesman Joe Williams says, “The goal is to be the industry leader in safety, not just the regionals’.”
Erickson says the battle for the lowest ticket price that’s ensued since airlines were deregulated undermines protection of passengers and flight crews.
“We say, ‘Competition is the enemy of safety,’” says Erickson, who lives in Minneapolis and joined Pinnacle in 2000.

Lower Fares

The Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 removed government controls on fares, routes and schedules to encourage competition. Adjusted for inflation since 1978, the cost per passenger of flying one domestic mile has halved to 4.19 cents as of 2008, according to the Air Transport Association.
The growth in commuter airlines accelerated in the past two decades with the invention of the regional jet.
“The geographic scope of regional airlines now has gone almost coast-to-coast from just a couple hundred miles with turboprops,” says Roger King, an analyst at Creditsights Inc. who has covered airlines for 20 years.
“As the jets came in, they were able to fly more people cheaper and faster. The demand accelerated,” King says. In exchange for flying routes at decreased costs for major airlines, the regional carriers get to piggyback off their larger partners’ brand and customer base.

A Fixed Fee

“Without the majors, the little airline would have to do its own marketing; it would have to take the risk of oil price hikes and demand,” King says.
“They’re providing the service to the major airline for a fixed fee,” he says. “They’re forced to cut their costs to the bone to make up for the fact that the major airline can’t because of union contracts.”
SkyWest Inc.’s agreement to fly under the Delta name requires the regional airline to keep its costs at or below the average rates for all of Delta’s commuter airline partners, SkyWest Chief Financial Officer Bradford Rich said on its first- quarter earnings call in May.
When Delta acquired Northwest Airlines Corp. and its commuter contracts in 2008, Delta’s average rates went down, forcing SkyWest to cut its costs, said Rich, who didn’t return calls seeking comment.
CEO Jerry Atkin said in June that St. George, Utah-based SkyWest’s costs are among the lowest in the industry, allowing it to take market share when competitors’ contracts expire.

‘Do Things Right’

Rice of the Air Line Pilots Association says the cost- saving approach in the industry discourages regionals from putting more effort into safety.
“The regional airlines that do things right, that train well above the minimum required standards, should not be penalized by the industry structure that we have in this country,” Rice says.
Many regional pilots say that affording a place to live is often harder than flying. Low pay coupled with airlines that regularly open and close bases have made the commuting of hundreds of miles to work the norm, says pilot Mark Segaloff, who lives in Austin, Texas.
His flight assignments are based out of Newark, New Jersey.

 

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‘Didn’t Really Know’

“I didn’t really know how difficult it would be,” he says. His initial pilot salary was $22,000 a year, so he worked a side job as a waiter at a TGI Friday’s restaurant in Albany, New York.
Segaloff, 26, is now a captain and head of the Colgan pilots union. To cope with the commute, many pilots stay in crash pads near airports.
The Web site www.crashpads.com has a database with 350 listings, says Steve Botkin, president of Flight Crew Services, who started the site in 1997. Crash pads provide better sleeping conditions than crew lounges, says Botkin, whose site has had 10,000 members.
Mark Yakopovich, a flight attendant for Republic Airways Holdings Inc., says he decided to run his own crash pad near LaGuardia Airport in the borough of Queens, New York, eight years ago after staying at unlocked apartments that sometimes didn’t even have beds.
Yakopovich, 56, charges $200 a month for one of 22 beds in his five-bedroom, two-bathroom apartment in East Elmhurst, New York. The crash pad is two apartments on the first and third floors of a brick building that’s a five-minute walk to a US Airways building.

Arrows to Mattresses

The bottom apartment’s living room functions as the common area for both spaces, with a futon, a television and a desk. The kitchen is upstairs in the third-floor apartment. The bedposts have stickers on them with pilots’ and flight attendants’ names, along with arrows pointing to their mattresses.
“You need a place that doesn’t smell like sewage,” he says. “I feel very strongly about having a quiet place, a secure place and your own bed to get the rest. It’s all about saving lives.”
The commuting and living conditions, the pilot fatigue, the minimal training and the use of faulty aircraft are posing a danger for millions of Americans.
“Here’s what the customers do: They assume the FAA, the federal government and the airlines are doing their job on safety,” says Senator Begich.

No Action

The FAA and federal government have failed to ensure that regional airlines are as safe as their major partners, says Begich, whose father died in a 1972 charter plane crash.
In the 10 months since the fatal crash in upstate New York, the U.S. Senate held six hearings on aviation safety and two more on the reauthorization of the FAA. So far, it has taken no action.
The FAA said in mid-2009 that it would introduce new regulations regarding pilot flight hours by Dec. 31. Now, it’s saying the rules will change in 2010.
Former Gulfstream pilot Edwards says government delays in enforcing and improving safety rules put the public at risk.
“The only thing that I think would really change the situation, as much as I hate to say this, is more accidents,” he says.
Until the FAA steps up, passengers traveling on commuter flights will be left wondering whether buying a cheaper ticket will continue to mean bargaining away their safety.


--With assistance from John Hughes in Washington and Mary Jane Credeur in Atlanta. Editors: Jonathan Neumann, Gail Roche.

 

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Thank you to all the whistle blowers. Hope the Continental pilots pester the company as to why the lowest common denominator is being siphoned the so called "regional or commuter" flying.

 

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1500 hours will discourage people from becoming pilots?
Never mind regional PAY.... Right mr. RAA guy?

Nice article- keep them coming and cut and paste and email to everyone you know- we'd all be better off if regionals were ... Absorbed at least

 

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So, it took the FAA all this time to fine Gulfstream? We've known they're shady from day one.

I'm sure the right people will be paid off (Mr. Investment Firm isn't going to have his ox gored.) and the fine will be reduced and the local FSDO inspectors will be told to go check tire pressures on a rental fleet in Ocala rather than staying on Gulfstream's case.

TC

 

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Knowing nothing of the BE-1900 MEL, were those items defferable? If they were then it was a legal flight. I know in the DA-20, we can defer the pressurization system if we stay below 10K and there is no routing requiring flight above 10K. Saw a guy get fired at Zantop for refusing a legal airplane, and that was a union airline, he never got his job back.

 

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Yes, they were both defferable and yes the a/c was legal to fly. This has been re-hashed many times on here before. GIA isn't doing anything different than any other regional out there....they treat their employees just as good as any other regional or bad depending on your viewpoint. They fly to the FAA FAR's, nearly to the max all the time...but that's what they promise and that's what they deliver. Guy's go there KNOWING this and EXPECTING this and there will always be a small % of whiners who cannot handle it once there. You can go to GIA and routinely get 100+ hours of block a month that credits 150+, making more than your CRJ counterparts and getting your PIC time straight away rather than withering away on reserve flying 40 hours a month dreaming about that next big job. GIA folks work hard, fly hard, put in thier time and move on...that is what GIA promises and what they deliver. Nothing more nothing less. If the FAA doesn't want GIA to operate this way then they need to change the FAR's. If the codeshare partners don't want GIA to operate this way then they should cancel the contracts. This has not happened and won't happen because GIA delivers what it promises.

The implied cause/effect relationship of GIA in regards to the other regional accidents is a stretch in the most generous terms. ALL of the pilots in the mentioned accidents went on to OTHER regionals and went through OTHER training programs, passing training, simms, checkrides and fed rides. Are the authors of this article implying that GIA instructors and check airman are respondsible for the training and checking at other carriers? It is utter nonsense.

If you don't like getting burned then don't play with fire. If you don't want to work HARD in a challenging environment then stay away from GIA...very very simple.

 

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That's ok to a point.

But foundation counts- both in training and professionalism. "5" just Isnt a coincidence.
Legal is not always safe.