Bush vs Kerry

[46Driver]

Well, its down to 2 - not counting Al Sharpton.... Who are you gonna vote for: Bush or Kerry?

I gotta go with Bush by default - I hate Kerry.

 

[Singlecoil]

How about a poll? Or are those verboten now?

CNN/Time still has Kerry beating Bush by about 5 points. It would be interesting to see what a poll of flightinfo folks would be. Maybe a poll once a month for tracking purposes. For the record, I predict 2004 will be the fourth presidential election in a row that the Democrat gets more popular votes than the Republican.

 

[46Driver]

The problem as we all know with Kerry beating Bush by 5% or Bush edging Kerry by 2% is that is the popular vote which does not matter. Its all about the electoral college and how each state breaks down. Only about a dozen states are really up for grabs and will decide the Presidency; however expect the Republicans to maintain their grip on the House and increase their majority in the Senate.

 

[lymanm]

Alot depends on who Kerry chooses as his running mate (and Bush for that matter, as Cheney is no shoo-in).

If Kerry goes with Edwards, they'd represent a strong combination of north/south personalities and overall balance each other beautifully.

However, if Bush ditches Cheney, he must choose wisely. Someone interesting and worthy of discussion is Condi Rice - her as running mate would attract a ton of women and black voters who would otherwise vote Dem... Plus, she's among the more ultra-conservative personalities in the administration, which should please traditionalists and offset their distate for a black woman.

 

[46Driver]

Does anybody really care or vote about the vice-president? The exception to this was Dan Quayle (only a heartbeat away....) I considered voting for Edwards but having him as VP would not make me consider Kerry.

 

[mar]

I must be confused

I thought Cheney had already chosen Bush.

I mean Cheney has been busy running the country while W is out landing on aircraft carriers and having BBQs and pep ralleys and stuff....

<god I'm feisty tonight. There's gotta be at least one more of these stupid strings I can crash.>

 

[flyboy]

Good grief, Mar! Now that's what I call senseless garble!

 

[ShawnC]

How about a poll? Or are those verboten now?

CNN/Time still has Kerry beating Bush by about 5 points. It would be interesting to see what a poll of flightinfo folks would be. Maybe a poll once a month for tracking purposes. For the record, I predict 2004 will be the fourth presidential election in a row that the Democrat gets more popular votes than the Republican.

You forget that the Bush Campaign, is just starting today. Kerry and the Democrats have been bashing Bush (and to a lesser extent each other) for the past 6 months. Now that we have a nominee let the mudslinging begin.

Oh well, my vote is for Bush, because Kerry is a typical vote pandering politician. I know so is Bush, but at least Bush is a Republican. Once again I have to vote for the lesser of two evils.

 

[kevdog]

Anyone wanna bet a buck who wins in Nov? It's going to be a close race (again). The big difference this time around is most liberals or independents are going to vote Kerry rather than people like Nader, etc. in hopes to get W out.

 

[Dubya]

Popular vote.....

..........equals votes bought and paid for in NY, MA, CA, IL.

W

 

[I Hate Freight]

Alot depends on who Kerry chooses as his running mate (and Bush for that matter, as Cheney is no shoo-in).

Sorry, but nobody votes for vice president. Nobody! The most a veep candidate can deliver is his home state and sometimes not even then. Gore could not even deliver his OWN HOME state as the pres candidate. If he had, he'd be president now.

Kerry is mean and miserable and never smiles. He is NOT likable.

BTW, "A lot" is two words, not one. Sorry, pet peeve.

I HATE FREIGHT!

 

[jarhead]

Prediction

I believe it will all be decided in Florida (once more, into the breach....) Florida is still a "yellow" state, trying to decide whether it will be "blue" or "red"

 

[Mogus]

You guys give polls too much credit. CNN wants you to believe those polls. Truth is, however, that Kerry will be slaughtered when Bush stops sitting on his $100 million. This guy is a better chameleon than my avatar. Take a look at the guy's voting record for crying out loud! He conforms to the flavor of the month! He has no cause. He's boring as hell, too. The guy couldn't electrify a fish tank if he threw a toaster into it. Unless Bush makes stumbles of epic proportions, he will win with at LEAST 5% of the popular vote.

 

[Singlecoil]

Unless Bush makes stumbles of epic proportions, he will win with at LEAST 5% of the popular vote.

I can just see the headlines: Rehnquist court throws out all votes from California, Washington, Oregon, Ohio, Wisconsin, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, New Mexico, and Florida. Presidency is awarded to Bush with 5% of the vote.

But seriously, it is going to be an interesting one. Bush's current approval rating is the lowest of his presidency at 48%. The election is in seven months. By then the 9/11 commission will have released their report, our soldiers will still be at risk in Iraq, and it will be obvious that Bush will be the first President since Hoover to preside over a net loss of jobs. Will New Yorkers appreciate Bush using 9/11 to gain political advantage by having the convention there in September? Especially after reading the 9/11 report in late July? It is possible the protests could rival the ones at the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention.

"Its the economy stupid". The more things change, the more things remain the same. It is truly amazing how long four year is in terms of the national psyche. More Americans say the economy is the biggest issue in the upcoming election than either terrorism, national security, or Iraq. There certainly a lot of parallels between the presidencies of Bush I and Bush II: Early War in Iraq with high approval ratings eventually dragged down by a sluggish economy. Unlike '92, the third party candidate this year will most likely not be a factor. Clinton won in '92 wiith less than 50% of the total vote. The '04 winner will probably end up with less than 55% of the total vote, unless one of the candidates stumbles badly between now and November.

 

[ShawnC]

"Its the economy stupid".

http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/006086.php

You guys still pissed that the Supreme Court upheld the state law that said, no hand recounts unless it's the entire state being requested.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

NON-Flame alert...

I musta missed something (like the news). I thought the 9-11 commission was supposed to report AFTER the elections...that was the whole point in deciding their timing. Am I confusing the 9-11 commisiion with something else?

 

[Timebuilder]

However, if Bush ditches Cheney, he must choose wisely. Someone interesting and worthy of discussion is Condi Rice - her as running mate would attract a ton of women and black voters who would otherwise vote Dem... Plus, she's among the more ultra-conservative personalities in the administration, which should please traditionalists and offset their distate for a black woman.

I'm not aware of a "distaste for black women" at all. Condi is a GREAT choice. It would be another voctory for the republicans, who are responsible for the civil rights act, along with being the party of Lincoln. The dems won't run Sharpton, so who could they run otherwise? Maxine Waters? What a joke.

I hope it's Condi. She's teflon coated, so the press could do NOTHING.

OUCH!!! It must hurt to be a democrat these days!

 

[Singlecoil]

ShawnC...what would prompt you to post that sac of pus link? How do they measure unemployment? Do they go door to door and ask people if they have a job, or do they look at the number of people collecting unemployment? Guess what happens when your unemployment benefits run out? You are no longer counted as unemployed. That is why the rate of unemployment is still low, yet there are over 2 million fewer people working now than there were in January 2001.

UpNDownGuy, you might be thinking of the recently-formed Iraq intelligence commission (or whatever they are calling it) that will report after the elections. The 9/11 commission was formed by Congress over the objections of the executive branch, whereas the Iraq commission was formed by the executive branch. The 9/11 commission is the one that Condi Rice doesn't want to testify in front of if she is being recorded or is under oath. The commission's bipartisan members have repeatedly complained of what they view as undue delays by the executive branch in complying with their requests. Like making a former Republican Senator on the Intelligence Committee, Slade Gorton, go through a full background check. This commission was formed largely as a result of the families of 9/11 victims lobbying Congress to investigate what happened. Expect to see a couple cameras pointed at those folks in September in New York during the convention.

 

[wmudriver]

Popular vote matters

the popular vote which does not matter. Its all about the electoral college

The electoral college votes based onhow the populus votes. So the popular vote does matter. Just ask the people in Florida or look in your high school history book.

 

[ShawnC]

Re: Popular vote matters

The electoral college votes based onhow the populus votes. So the popular vote does matter. Just ask the people in Florida or look in your high school history book.

It's the popular vote in the particular state that matters.

The latest Zogby poll, did a run down, doing each state. They found that the dem states that heavily dem are going to stay there, and same for the GOP states that went havily GOP. It's going to states that are close like Florida that is going to decide the election, but the survey showed that Bush is ahead in many of those said states.

About Unemployment, it's not about the number, it's about how CNN reported the exact same number 5.6% in 1996 when Clinton was President, compared to how it's being reported by the same news agency earlier this year.