Bryan Ups the Ante at After School Airlines

[Bizjet]

You assume that he's a real person and not just some bored dispatcher or scheduler trying to get a rise out of people.

I don't believe that anyone else is that retarded or bored. He has given enough info in some of his post to believe he is a lost pilot soul.

 

["GO AROUND"]

It is for those being displaced and taking a 50% pay cut.

It's a 40% paycut. FO's make 60% of what a Capt makes.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I wonder what expense catagory the company uses when they pay the $10 for someone to register just to post idiotic things? But unfortunatly, I think that pooter is a pilot.

You have no idea how much money they expense over at the GO. I flew with an FO who's wife worked for C. Testa and saw the things they blow money on.

The write offs on food alone would blow you away. There are lots of people that are fed by the company everyday. Ask the Rising Roll how much ASA spends there a month.

 

[Speedtape]

Speedtape,

You obviously haven't read the contract or paid attention to the displacement bid that was just issued. It is very important that people have their bid form filled out in a diplacement. For example, if a junior CR2 Captain is displaced from his position, he DOES have options on where to go! He may either displace a more junior AT7 Captain or choose to displace a more junior CR2 FO. If you actually look at the displacements, you can tell who has filled their bid sheet out for this scenario (take a look at where each of the 10 CR2 Captains will be displaced to). Granted, some will be too junior to hold onto the ATR left seat, but others will certainly have the option.

If you're going to come on here and write all this crap like you actually know what you're talking about, you might want to do a little homework first. I certainly don't know what's going to happen with all this, but judging from the accuracy of your post, it's clear neither do you. The rest of your post is filled with BS, but I'm not going to waste my time responding. However, it's pretty important people know that THEY MUST fill out their bid sheet if they want a say in where they go in a displacement!

Now back to the same retarded whining that goes on here by the same 10 people that none of us can probably stand to fly with anyway!

Actually, after further review, I stand partially corrected! I have read the contract, again and again. Refer to Sec. 24 Filling of Vacancies, paragraph G., subparagraph 2, including a. (1), (2), and (3), then b. (1) and (2).

These are the steps taken in a displacement and are controlling. The bid preference form may come into play, during this process in Sec. 24, G2., a.(2) and then possibly in b.(2). The key words are "more."

When you reread this portion, pay attention to the definition of "Category" and "Status!" These terms and the language become very important in the displacement process.

Thanks for the lecture. I am not afraid to be wrong or partially wrong. The important thing in the process of communication and debate is to gain knowledge or reaffirm your position. I have just done both. The learning process is continuous and evolving--an ongoing process.

You have been a resource in that process by challenging my post. I am not concerned with being right but knowing what's right. After the challenge and more technical reading of the displacement paragraph, you are also partially correct. However, there is more to the process than just having a current and adequate bid on file. Sec 24G.2 and the steps within, dictate the rules of engagment in displacement.

Bottom line, a current bid on file with sufficient choices may come into play under certain circumstances in the displacement process. The thing that most people don't understand is that a current bid on file does not automatically let you default to the choice or choices under your current position, when your current position no longer exists.

This matter is settled, now let's discuss the other things in my post that you don't like.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Check out the big brain on Bryan.

Position notice 13 cancelled and a displacement prelim posted this morning. He may as well try to get some bang for his buck.

The training costs are gonna go thru the roof of the Puzzle Palace.

Hey Pogue, Bryan isn't upping anything. If you think Bryan, Charlie, or Scott is running things, then you are as ignorant as the rest of the ALPA true believers. This goes way above Bryan... SGU for starts. Do you really think picketing SGU is going to change things???

 

[JoeMerchant]

Do you mind if I have a sip of your tasty kool-aid beverage to wash this bs down?

What flavor is ALPA serving today?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wow! 10 whole displacements from the 70 and 10 whole displacements from the 50. The earth is shattering as we speak

There will be more to follow.... the earth isn't shattering, ALPA is just losing.....

 

[737 Pylt]

What flavor is ALPA serving today?

I don't know Johnny B! What flavor is the rjdc serving? Did you ever return the notes you stole? You are a child, plain and simple! Your crusade is as pathetic as you!
737

 

[CJA]

I don't know Johnny B! What flavor is the rjdc serving? Did you ever return the notes you stole? You are a child, plain and simple! Your crusade is as pathetic as you!
737

After all, ALPA has done so much for me!

 

[goahead]

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, this sucks so bad it's funny......

 

[737 Pylt]

After all, ALPA has done so much for me!

What has the rjdc done for you?
737

 

[AsaLossPaywAlpa]

What has the recd done for you?
737

why don't you and others write why "what he is saying"(writing) is wrong ....INSTEAD OF THE SAME BORING PERSONAL ATTACK.

Please tell me knowledge!

 

[No Delay]

Everytime BL, CT, or SH puts out a new letter, it makes me sick to my stomach. So sick I just can't come to work.


Anyone else sick from it ?????

 

[JoeMerchant]

Everytime BL, CT, or SH puts out a new letter, it makes me sick to my stomach. So sick I just can't come to work.


Anyone else sick from it ?????

I know how you feel. I get the same feeling everytime I get a letter or email from ALPA. BL, CT, and SH aren't calling the shots, and neither is ALPA. The decisions will be made by Skywest, with or without ALPA's blessing....

 

[No Delay]

Did JoeMerchant (or JB) get fired from ALPA?

I keep reading things about him serving on ALPA as the treasurer but always putting ALPA and the other leaders down.

Then I have been hearing a lot about him stealing a computer and stealing some notes or minutes from some of the meetings.

I was looking on ASA ALPA website for his picture and noticed his was the only picture not up. I was just wanting to put a face to this guy.

 

[No Delay]

Joe,

didn't realize your were still on this thread. what is the real story?

not starting a fight...just curious?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

didn't realize your were still on this thread. what is the real story?

not starting a fight...just curious?

NoDelay,
The real story is far from what you are hearing. I didn't steal anything, and my picture was left out on purpose. You see I committed the cardinal sin in ALPA - I criticized ALPA in public. They teach you (indoctrinate you), to never say anything bad about ALPA in public. ALPA has failed, and continues to fail, in it's duty to ASA and other pilots. We can't win as long as managements continue to outsource flying. It defeats the whole purpose of "collective" bargaining. The current ASA leadership means well, but they are way over their heads, and following ALPA isn't going to help any of us...

If you want to hear the other side of the story, PM me and we can talk about "the rest of the story".......

 

[No Delay]

Well, thanks for the reply. I always see you bashing ALPA and then I see you get hammered on pretty hard...was just curious.

I don't like you or dislike you...just don't know you.

There is always 3 sides to every story

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well, thanks for the reply. I always see you bashing ALPA and then I see you get hammered on pretty hard...was just curious.

I don't like you or dislike you...just don't know you.

There is always 3 sides to every story

No problem NoDelay. I'm not bashing ALPA, just don't believe in it anymore. I've seen the inside of ALPA and think it has contributed more to the problem than it has helped.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Did JoeMerchant (or JB) get fired from ALPA?

I keep reading things about him serving on ALPA as the treasurer but always putting ALPA and the other leaders down.

Then I have been hearing a lot about him stealing a computer and stealing some notes or minutes from some of the meetings.

Fired? No. Serving? Not hardly. Stealing? No, not really. Failing to do his job? Absolutely

I was looking on ASA ALPA website for his picture and noticed his was the only picture not up. I was just wanting to put a face to this guy.

Just hang around the Badda Bing Lounge. He'll either be the guy lecturing to an empty room about the evils of ALPA and the salvation that is the RJDC, or he'll be the bitter, angry guy writing on the bathroom wall. You can't miss him.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Just hang around the Badda Bing Lounge. He'll either be the guy lecturing to an empty room about the evils of ALPA and the salvation that is the RJDC, or he'll be the bitter, angry guy writing on the bathroom wall. You can't miss him.

Actually, until the RJ showed up at D, we didn't have any writing on the bathroom wall. Nothing against RJ guys, but we really didn't see it until then.....

The RJDC isn't salvation, it is a lawsuit against ALPA. Nothing more, nothing less. ALPA isn't "evil", it is just ineffective - there is a difference.....

Are you one of the guys lecturing about the "salvation" of ALPA? How's that going for you??????

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Are you one of the guys lecturing about the "salvation" of
ALPA? How's that going for you??????

As a matter of fact, I'm not. I'll be the first to admit that ALPA has its flaws. However, between ALPA and nothing, I choose ALPA. And, let's face it, your main beef with ALPA has nothing to do with all this. As you said, it will be years before you're affected. In your mind, ALPA slighted you. Now, with all that pent up animosity, you have found the perfect time to lash out. Why, on the ASA ALPA board, you even made a comment to the effect of, "I wish I hadn't been right, but...." BS. Everybody knows that ALPA doesn't have the power it needs to have. Everybody knows that ALPA dropped the ball when it allowed multiple carriers to fly under the same banner. It's a dead horse. It's over. The mistake has been made. Most of us choose to move on and try to make the best of it from here. Some of us wallow in our rejection and look for every chance we can find to throw stones. Then again, some of us get so drunk at the BOD meeting that we have to be carried out of the room. Which of the three are you? (Hint: There may be more than one right answer.)

What would you have us do, exactly? We could drop ALPA altogether. There's one idea. How much worse do you think current contract abuse would get if we did that? How much worse do you think pilot pushing would get if we did that? In the interest of full disclosure, I will admit that I am an ALPA committee volunteer. I have seen, time and time again, the kind of crap this company would love to be able to pull if there was nothing standing in their way. As I said, ALPA ain't the best thing going, but it's better than nothing. You can rant and rave against ALPA all you like, but I can virtually guarantee you that you will like your life here a whole lot less without the protections that ALPA brings to the table. I would rather not have this job at all than work here and be subjected to every whim of those idiots up at the G/O without any entity to protect me.

That's my two cents, anyway. For you guys who are dissatisfied with ALPA on some level, I feel ya. I understand how frustrating it is. I feel like ALPA, on a national level, is fairly impotent a lot of the time. Unfortunately, that permeates our current negotiations. Nothing we can do about that. However, if you think you would be better off without union protection, I pray you never have a fellow crewmember run to management when they find out about a medical condition you may or may not have. I pray you never taxi into the grass because of a poorly lit taxiway. I pray you never get caught calling in sick to take care of your sick son. I pray you never have to hear the company tell you that you cannot attend your mother's funeral because you used up your three bereavement days arranging it and there's no coverage for your trip. Think I'm making this stuff up? Come volunteer in the ALPA office for one week. It will open your eyes.

 

[JoeMerchant]

As a matter of fact, I'm not. I'll be the first to admit that ALPA has its flaws. However, between ALPA and nothing, I choose ALPA. And, let's face it, your main beef with ALPA has nothing to do with all this. As you said, it will be years before you're affected. In your mind, ALPA slighted you. Now, with all that pent up animosity, you have found the perfect time to lash out. Why, on the ASA ALPA board, you even made a comment to the effect of, "I wish I hadn't been right, but...." BS. Everybody knows that ALPA doesn't have the power it needs to have. Everybody knows that ALPA dropped the ball when it allowed multiple carriers to fly under the same banner. It's a dead horse. It's over. The mistake has been made.

If it is indeed a "dead horse", then it doesn't matter what ASA, or CMR, or Pinnacle want in negotiations. The brand managements will use cost as a factor in who to give the contracts to. Unlike you, I don't believe it is a "dead horse". I agree with you that mistakes were made. I agree with you that ALPA shouldn't have allowed multiple carriers to fly under the same banner. If it is over as you say, then why continue with this facade of "bargaining" and thumping our chest? It is over according to you, isn't it?

If you think it is over, then go ahead and throw in the towel. I don't think it is over, but the first step to reversing it is to prevent more flying from going out the door.....

 

[Speedtape]

If it is indeed a "dead horse", then it doesn't matter what ASA, or CMR, or Pinnacle want in negotiations. The brand managements will use cost as a factor in who to give the contracts to. Unlike you, I don't believe it is a "dead horse". I agree with you that mistakes were made. I agree with you that ALPA shouldn't have allowed multiple carriers to fly under the same banner. If it is over as you say, then why continue with this facade of "bargaining" and thumping our chest? It is over according to you, isn't it?

If you think it is over, then go ahead and throw in the towel. I don't think it is over, but the first step to reversing it is to prevent more flying from going out the door.....

The only way to do that is sign a 15 year contract at minimum wage, and then hope that no one else matches it! Scope is like swiss cheese, it will always have holes in it!

 

[Speedtape]

Did JoeMerchant (or JB) get fired from ALPA?

I keep reading things about him serving on ALPA as the treasurer but always putting ALPA and the other leaders down.

Then I have been hearing a lot about him stealing a computer and stealing some notes or minutes from some of the meetings.

I was looking on ASA ALPA website for his picture and noticed his was the only picture not up. I was just wanting to put a face to this guy.

Look for the guy with the big old L on his forehead! The L does not stand for leadership. He also leaves an empty chair at the table for the ATL ASA pilot group. Now, that's leadership that one can support!

 

[atrdriver]

If you think it is over, then go ahead and throw in the towel. I don't think it is over, but the first step to reversing it is to prevent more flying from going out the door.....

When ASA is flying it's own code we can do that. When any regional is flying its own code they can do that. As long as regionals are flying code that belongs to another company there is no way to attain 100% protection for flying, simply because there is no incentive for the company that owns the code to give a 100% guarantee. ALPA has nothing to do with that.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'll admit that BL has done allot of dumb sh*t around hear but this has nothing to do w/ him. JA and SKW Inc made the call to close the SLC base for ASA open LAX. They also made the call to keep the CR7s in SLC and have SKW fly them. BL and SH were then told to adjust manpower accordingly. This can only be done in seniority based on what your bid sheet has written on it, training costs or not.

If you want to blame BL for something, how about that big blue waste of money at C-28.

Source? You got a fly on the wal in SGU, or just drawing from your extensive experience roaming the halls of the GO on your internship?

 

[atlcrjdriver]

JP, so you believe that BL made the call to close SLC on his own. That JA and SKW Inc. had nothing to do with this decision at all.

That and the intern crack was weak.

Try Again...

 

[John Pennekamp]

JP, so you believe that BL made the call to close SLC on his own. That JA and SKW Inc. had nothing to do with this decision at all.

That and the intern crack was weak.

Try Again...

Didn't ask for an evasive answer... again, source?

 

[John Pennekamp]

No problem NoDelay. I'm not bashing ALPA, just don't believe in it anymore. I've seen the inside of ALPA and think it has contributed more to the problem than it has helped.

You're not bashing ALPA? WTF? If you're not bashing ALPA, you're not breathing.