Brac affected pilots (reserve/guard)

[Foties]

Hey guys,

Check out:

https://www.issues.af.mil/

You might have to try it on a gov computer because it is secure. Click on BRAC 2005. You can find out exactly what is happening to every unit. For ex. It says my unit it getting 4 J's from Baltimore and 2 from Little Rock, we are projected to have 12-14 J's instead of 8.

I am sorry for some of you guys that may have not faired well. All I can suggest is get out early and network gaining units before the flood gates open and units get flooded with homeless guys. Good luck.

 

[RedDogC130]

Foties..I am in Balt. I heard the split will not take place until 2009. I wonder what options I will have. We are to give 4 to you in CA and 4 to RI. I do not plan to move to either place. I wonder what I will be able to do. The commute would be too far.

 

[psysicx]

Don't you guys get money to commute?And will they let you find another unit?

 

[stonewall]

As a civilian and tax payer (and one who would have liked to have a guard slot) I'm wondering what the he!! the military is thinking.

The Guard has carried the load since the fall of the Soviet Union. Are these reductions a slap in the face of the ANG because the regular Air Force is jealous? I just can't figure why you would want to downsize such a vital component of the "total force".

Being from Indiana, it's interesting that they finally "got" the Terre Haute unit. Those guys were great (former instructor was in that unit) and they thumbed their noses at the hierarchy whenever they could. I guess they got paid back...

Good luck to all those displaced by this BRAC.TC

Yeah, I'm confused by some things, too. We're retiring about 150 F-16s, which in all reality need to go. They're old and most are barely combat capable. But we're only retiring 3 F-15Cs?? WTFO? Those are even OLDER and cost more to operate per flight hour. I understand the Noble Eagle commitment, but Vipers can do that very easily. I don't want any bros to lose their jobs and I have mad respect for my eagle brethren, but I'd like to see more eagles go than vipers. Of course, I'm heavily biased.

And I'll agree with the above assessment. Where many of these Vipers get sent to, the pilot slots will not necessarily follow. Yes, many of the displaced dudes will get picked up at the gaining units, but there it'll be a courtesy only. No guarantees. There also may be a potential for the dudes on the outside looking in. If many of the guys at losing units elect to retire or just hang up the G-suit (wife has a good job, kids in school, too strong of ties to local area, etc), slots will open up. If a squadron goes from 15 PAA to 18 PAA, that means 6-9 more pilots, which means guys may get hired off the streets and sent the B Course. Good luck to everyone affected!

 

[jackhammer130]

The fights not over

For those Units whom were affected......The fights not over yet anyways, IMHO you will see alot of political fighting over these Guard Units. In the end some will stay some will not. Now is the time to contact your respective congress man/woman and let the powers that be hash it out. It should very intersting finish.

 

[YGBSM]

Don't you guys get money to commute?And will they let you find another unit?

They pay us extra to commute. The more you commute, the more money you make and the faster you get promoted. Some of us switch units 3 or 4 times a year.

 

[RedDogC130]

Look at history. Not may things get changed. I am getting my resume out ASAP.

 

[RJP]

I'm not too sure what actually happens when it comes to having your unit shut down but the ANG is owned by the state. Not the USAF unless activated. If your unit moves within the state, you should theoretically still have a job and have to commute to your new base. If they close and the planes go away, you're SOL. The question would be what happens to the AF Res guys who have their unit move to another state. It's a much different scenario since they're part of the USAF and not bound to one state.

The Selfridge thing that I read was that the A-10s would come from the other base in MI (which is to be closed), and are reportedly going to merge with Willow Grove, PA (also to be closed). What a mess.

 

[CCDiscoB]

We're retiring about 150 F-16s, which in all reality need to go. They're old and most are barely combat capable. But we're only retiring 3 F-15Cs?? WTFO?

I haven't had time to look at the BRAC brief, or the numbers, which I plan to as soon as I get to a mil computer, but my first thought when I read this post is "apples and oranges." A block 50 Viper is a completely different airplane to a block 30. F-15s are exactly the same, as far a mission. Some can hold more gas, have better radars, etc, but when it comes to getting a AIM-120 off the rail, every F-15 will have the missile flying at the exact same range.

How many more F-16's are there than F-15's, twice, three times? We've lost too many F-15s throughout it's life, as a result we need every single jet.

More later, I have to do some research.

 

[scoreboard]

And another thing

Yeah, I'm confused by some things, too. We're retiring about 150 F-16s, which in all reality need to go. They're old and most are barely combat capable. But we're only retiring 3 F-15Cs?? WTFO? Those are even OLDER and cost more to operate per flight hour. I understand the Noble Eagle commitment, but Vipers can do that very easily. I don't want any bros to lose their jobs and I have mad respect for my eagle brethren, but I'd like to see more eagles go than vipers. Of course, I'm heavily biased.

I noted alot of light grays going to Nellis, sounds like a super aggressor squadron to me.

Plus, it ain't the years, it's the milage...http://forums.flightinfo.com/images/icons/icon30.gif