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[brew3departure]

The C-12

As I've said I don't know how many times over the past months to various folks:

The military operates their version of the B1900D - except they call it the C-12, maybe the C-12A? We had a tech. rep. from Raytheon on board soon after the CLT crash happened and he stated that the military model and the normal civillian model were identical, except for the fact that the military's model is certified with a gross weight of over 20,000lbs! 110lbs over? How many times due to large PAX do you 1900 drivers think you were a heckuva lot heavier than 110lbs over gross with the average weights?

Any C-12 operators out there care to back this up?

Hrrrrrumph...they need to find and fix the trim/elevator problem. I have a very hard time believing it was a weight issue. Just my opinion...

-brew3

 

[tubelo]

I fly the C-12B for the Navy, but it is basically a Super King Air (BE20). The military may fly a 1900 equivelant, but it is not designated the C-12. Our Max T/O is 12.5 or 13.5 under a restricted category.

 

[B190Captain]

Re: The C-12

As I've said I don't know how many times over the past months to various folks:

The military operates their version of the B1900D - except they call it the C-12, maybe the C-12A? We had a tech. rep. from Raytheon on board soon after the CLT crash happened and he stated that the military model and the normal civillian model were identical, except for the fact that the military's model is certified with a gross weight of over 20,000lbs! 110lbs over? How many times due to large PAX do you 1900 drivers think you were a heckuva lot heavier than 110lbs over gross with the average weights?

Any C-12 operators out there care to back this up?

Hrrrrrumph...they need to find and fix the trim/elevator problem. I have a very hard time believing it was a weight issue. Just my opinion...

-brew3

I believe you are referring to the C-12J which is more like a C Model 1900. As for a C-12J with PT6A-65B engines, It's hard to believe the military has certified it to 20K GTOW. The C model on a hot day is a pig at 16,600 GTOW. But then again our engines were tired. I can see a D model (PT6A-67D) certified for the military at 20K but not a C. The D model does a hell of a job at 17.120lbs MTOW which is what our D's are certified for.

The C-12J aircraft is the military version of the Raytheon Beech 1900C. Developed from the Super King Air business twin turboprop, the 19-seat Beech 1900C Airliner was first flown in September 1982 and entered service in early 1984. With its Pratt and Whitney PT6A-65B engines, it has a cruise speed of 268 knots with a certified ceiling of 25,000 feet and a range of 1,555 miles. Since its introduction in 1984, Raytheon Aircraft's Beech 1900C Airliner has been known as "the workhorse of the sky." The Beech 1900C consistently earns high marks for its large-airliner styling and passenger comfort. A later version of the Beech 99, the model 1900 is recognized as the favoured tier-3 aircraft. It is passenger friendly, highly reliable, and much appreciated by both maintenance and aircrews alike. A total of 250 1900Cs were delivered between 1984 and 1991 to regional airlines, special mission operators and corporations. Production then switched entirely to the current version, dubbed the 1900D, which has a taller cabin. Some commentators suggest that the Beech 1900C had some defects, and that to rectify these shortcomings while improving on the technical aspects, Raytheon went on to manufacture Beech 1900D, the most popular 19-seater aircraft in the world.

The 586th Flight Test Squadron is responsible for all Air Force flight test activity taking place over the White Sands Missile Range (WSMR). The squadron owns and operates fighter and cargo aircraft in support of avionics, guidance/navigation, and weapon system testing. The 586th has added a C-12J to its fleet of highly modified and unique test support AT-38B aircraft. The C-12J is the only test asset of its kind and provides unparalleled ability to conduct Global Positioning System and inertial navigation tests.

Here is a pic of the C-12J

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/c-12j_2.jpg

 

[Hansel]

Not to be an a$$, but if any reporter were to write an article on what's been written about in this forum, it would be much more damaging than that article.

 

[captainv]

what the media should be focusing on is the maintenance practices at Raytheon. from what i've read, the guy who rigged the elevator on the Air Midwest 1900 was a third-party subcontractor, who wasn't at all familiar with the Beech.

don't get me started on TV news. pretty people who aren't smart enough for radio end up on TV news.

by the way, it does bear pointing out that the primary thrust of the article was laptops in the cockpit - the Air Midwest thing was a small example that was used incorrectly by the reporter.....