Boeing, Boeing, Gone!

[ATL2CDG]

ATL2CDG, do ya think that your previous anti-American stand may be putting your credibility on this issue in question?

I would politely ask that you show me an instance of where I was anti-American. Be aware, however, that anti-war, anti-Bush or anti-conservative Christian do NOT equal anti-American.

You most likely think that you are pro-American, but most of us would beg to differ.

I'm glad to you know that you and 'others' know more about me and my political/social stances than I do; that's a relief for my confused mind. Any guess as to what digit I'm flashing you right now?; I don't seem to know.

 

[enigma]

I would politely ask that you show me an instance of where I was anti-American. Be aware, however, that anti-war, anti-Bush or anti-conservative Christian do NOT equal anti-American.

I'm glad to you know that you and 'others' know more about me and my political/social stances than I do; that's a relief for my confused mind. Any guess as to what digit I'm flashing you right now?; I don't seem to know.

First you're going to politely ask something, then your going to politely flip me the bird. No anger there, no siree.

Bud, you need help. With that, I'll stop picking on you. It isn't my intention to cause you any harm, I am only trying to make you think.

enigma

 

[skyking1976]

battle rifle - German, I forget the designation, but Kalishnakov copied major parts of it. FN FAL'l know!

You wouldn't happen to be referring to the Gewehr (G-41, G-43) series of rifles, would you? They had a gas-operated semi-auto action. I believe that Kalashnikov had used the same basic action design and converted the receiver to accept 7.62 X 39 rounds for use in the AK-47.

SK

 

[EagleRJ]

If I'm correct, the last foreign-produced aircraft flown by the US Armed Forces was English Electric's Canberra bomber, which ended up being built under license in the US by Martin (we never bought English-built Harriers- they were all built here under license).

I don't think there's any kind of agreement in the military that the Airbus tanker is a superior product. It's newer, and that's about the only thing it has going for it. Compaered to the KC767, it's too large and too expensive, and it has a brand new, unproven refueling boom.
The Air Force was ready to buy KC767s from Boeing without any kind of competition, but then Airbus slapped together a "tanker version" of the A330 and demanded to be considered for the tanker purchase. The purchase is on hold right now, because someone in Boeing management is accused of bribery in trying to win the contract for Boeing.

There's another Buy-American situation developing over the helicopter that the Marine Corp wants to buy to replace the Sea King derivitives that fly in presidential squadron HMX-1. Sikorsky has a new helicopter that seems like the natural choice, but Agusta Westland also has the EH101, which they want to be considered. They're sourcing some of the parts from the US and calling it the "US101", and they want us to fly the President around in it. It doesn't matter if they have Americans build some of it and put a US flag on the side- it's still a British helicopter!
We have to draw the line somewhere. Flying the President in the US101 would be like driving him around in a Rolls Royce instead of a Cadillac!

 

[labbats]

Let's not forget that Boeing is already firmly entrenched in all our military bases. Hell, the hangar next door to me looks like the warehouse in the final scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark, except it's filled with Boeing parts. That's tough to remove and replace in and of itself. Not to mention the myriad of other things that would have to be done to fully implement Airbus into our military.

 

[BoilerUP]

If my hard-earned tax dollars hafta buy an airplane, I by-God want it to be an American-made airplane, even if I have to pay more for it! More jobs, more tax revenue, more disposable income...win-win for everybody.

The reason the A330 was cheaper is government subsidies. Haven't you heard JetBlue gets their 320s for free?

If this country will get its head out of its arse regarding the "lowest bidder" mentality, and instead focus on quality, we might get back a bit of the national pride and workmanship we have lost overseas. And the last time I checked, Boeing hasn't yet started producing the KC-767 yet.

What I'd really like to see is the KC-747! You could haul lots of ass with that tanker's gas...

 

[House_X]

Wow, since when does offering an opinion become anti-american. ATL2CDG has been stating what analyst has been stating for years. First off, Boeing subcontracts so much $#it to Japan that calling it an "American" company is ridiculous. Tell that to all the Boeing workers who are walking the streets of Seattle looking for work. Airbus has an unfair advantage? How about Boeing not being able to deliver products on time. Indy Air was going to go with Boeing, but they couldn't deliver the 737 within our time frame. Who's to blame for that? Last I heard Boeing is still being investigated by the feds for illegal contract negotiations. Boeing gets incredible tax breaks and those defense contracts are a license to steal...Boeing is "subsidized" as much as Airbus.



This "support Boeing, you support America" is hypocrisy at it's finest. Face the reality...Boeing does not want to make commercial airliners. This is not about "anti-americanism". It's about money...and money has no boarders.

 

[BoilerUP]

Airbus has an unfair advantage? How about Boeing not being able to deliver products on time. Indy Air was going to go with Boeing, but they couldn't deliver the 737 within our time frame. Who's to blame for that?

Southwest, AirTran, Easyjet, Ryanair, etc......

 

[ATL2CDG]

First you're going to politely ask something, then your going to politely flip me the bird. No anger there, no siree.

Bud, you need help. With that, I'll stop picking on you. It isn't my intention to cause you any harm, I am only trying to make you think.

Well, I'm sorry you can't take a little joke; I guess I shouldn't post at 3:30a after more than a dozen double shots of vodka, eh? Also, what kind of help is it that I need? Brainwashing by the neo-con right? I mean, seriously, if you're going to say that I have a problem, then specify what it is and then recommend a path of action.

Also, you're not picking on me. You're having to give up your position that I'm anti-American because 1)I'm not; and 2)you can't find any evidence supporting your outrageous claim. How is it that you are trying to make me think? What are you trying to make me think? If you think that by calling me anti-American you're going to make me 'see the light', you're sadly mistaken.

We disagree. Plan and simple. You want to get personal and label me anti-American because I don't see things your way. Ok. If that's what you want to believe, you go right ahead.

 

[Publishers]

For the sake

For the sake of discussion, you have a unique heart problem that is likely fatal without an operation that is risky. The best guy in the world to do this is a French doctor who pioneered it. There is an American surgeon starting to do the operation.

Which one do you go to?

 

[:-)]

For the sake of discussion, you have a unique heart problem that is likely fatal without an operation that is risky. The best guy in the world to do this is a French doctor who pioneered it. There is an American surgeon starting to do the operation.

Which one do you go to?

I'd rather die from an American mistake than from a Frenchmans intentional action. Prove to me that the French doctor can be trusted, then I will consider him. Until then, I choose American.

 

[BoilerUP]

This whole discussion is a moot point, because the day they take the last A320 to the scrap heap, it'll be flown there in a 727


BTW, how old is the A320? Are there many 15-20+ years old still flying around?

 

[siucavflight]

For the sake of discussion, you have a unique heart problem that is likely fatal without an operation that is risky. The best guy in the world to do this is a French doctor who pioneered it. There is an American surgeon starting to do the operation.

Which one do you go to?

The French doctor. But I would get to France in a 747

 

[huncowboy]

You wouldn't happen to be referring to the Gewehr (G-41, G-43) series of rifles, would you? They had a gas-operated semi-auto action. I believe that Kalashnikov had used the same basic action design and converted the receiver to accept 7.62 X 39 rounds for use in the AK-47.

SK

I think it is the Sturmgewehr 44 he meant (STG44). Don't hold me to it though, but if you look at the picture it is hard to deny the similarity IMO.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/StG44

 

[sqwkvfr]

You're kidding, right? What do you make of the well-publicized selection by the USAF of Boeing tankers that were overpriced, underperforming and badly designed over the Airbus product that was cheaper, more effecient and met more of the 26(?) requirements the USAF had set forth. They were wanting to 'buy American' no matter the cost; that could easily be called government support.

I know that I'm WAAYYY late chiming in here, but you can thank DEMOCRAT Senator Tom Daschle and his aviation lobbyist wife Linda for this.

And you can thank Republican Senator John McCain for stopping it...for now.

 

[SupraZachAir]

You guys need to utilize that ignore list more. It makes reading these threads MUCH less enraging.

ATL2CDG just has no sense of national pride. He's embarassed to be from this country. Let him live in his cynical little world. He's so happy there, that he has to bring his negativity over to bug the hell out of us. Just ignore his ass.

 

[siucavflight]

You guys need to utilize that ignore list more. It makes reading these threads MUCH less enraging.

ATL2CDG just has no sense of national pride. He's embarassed to be from this country. Let him live in his cynical little world. He's so happy there, that he has to bring his negativity over to bug the hell out of us. Just ignore his ass.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Hemispheres]

In November of 2003, I read an article in the New York times about the amount of foreign made equipment used by our US military. The article began with the army desiring to consolidate and update their computer systems with one of the requirements for flat screen monitors. Basically it was determined that no American company produces or has the capacity for such. Thus the army would have to purchase non American made monitors. As the article progressed it exposed the fact that 47% of what our military uses is foreign made. That is a very sobering statistic. I anticipate comments of untruthfullness from the media, but the article went further to say a Congressional investigation was commencing to substantiate these claims. Due to corporate and stock holder avarice to improve the bottom line this outsourcing trend will continue.

Take my comments and or the article for what it is worth, but if approx. 50% of what our military requires is foreign made, that is a frightening amount.

Did anyone else read the same article as mentioned. Hemispheres.

 

[ATL2CDG]

You guys need to utilize that ignore list more. It makes reading these threads MUCH less enraging.

ATL2CDG just has no sense of national pride. He's embarassed to be from this country. Let him live in his cynical little world. He's so happy there, that he has to bring his negativity over to bug the hell out of us. Just ignore his ass.

Ah, more people that know how I feel. Priceless.

I simply cannot understand how people can automatically deduce that dissent on a single topic equals a lack of national pride. I reiterated on many occasions my love of the United States. I noted embarrassment at the actions of individuals such as 'deez_nutz2000' and others, but I never said 'I was embarrassed to be a citizen of the United States, period'; any time I was embarrassed, I've always noted what actions, persons or ideas caused this feeling. I have NEVER made a blank statement that the United States equals embarrassment.

If you feel the need to 'ignore' me and other individuals on this board, that's your right. I know it's often easier to ignore opinions on a topic rather than maturely articulating your own; you can't attack my ideas and win, so you personally attack me with unjustifiable and unprovable slander and run. It's obvious that's the best course of action.

Best of luck!

 

[SupraZachAir]

See, I know he said something, but I could care less what it was. Its great. You really do learn the most important things in kindergarten. If someone bugs you or throws a fit all the time, just ignore them. They just like the attention.

Hemispheres: Do you remember the title of the article or have a link? It sounds interesting. I just wonder if some of these foreign "things" are something currently made and pioneered in the US, as opposed to something we don't even make... just curious, drop me a link if you can find it, my interest is sparked. Thanks!