"Blue Ridge" pilots...

[Typhoon1244]

At what stage of ground school do they teach you guys that it's okay to make a 180 on the runway without asking anybody?

Sincerely,
The crew of the CRJ that
flew over you at go-around
power.


(Note: tha F/O came over and apologized. The captain merely said "they don't care, they get paid block time." True, but we were shooting for underblock.)

 

[learflyer]

What airport?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Tie-Foon,

Thanks for the post. Unfortunately it is only going to get worse. We'll have a chat with those guys as they have implemmented a new procedure too early.

See, the unannouced 180 on the runway, contrary to AIM 4-3-20a, is part of the the new Independence Air biz plan. IAD is a UAL fortress hub and Indy Air plans to turn it into a UAL/Ted meat market.

The plan is to execute Craaaaaaazzyy Ivans on Ted as they're on short final. You won't know which way we'll turn unless you look at your watch...

The only downside is, everybody but the Indy Air pilots will be proficient in GAs. (did you hand fly the whole GA or didya turn the magic on?)

See ya 'round the aerodrome!

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

oooooooooooooh, an ACA crew did a 180 on a runway without permission. OUCH, I had a citation do that about a week ago, sent one around because of it. That is the most annoying thing in the world.

 

[Typhoon1244]

In all fairness, I was really impressed with the F/O. He did just what I would have done...found the other crew and apologized.

Too bad the captain ruined it by being a dick.

Originally posted by learflyer
What airport?

TYS. 23L. 8:05pm. May 17th.

 

[Tripower455]

I had a citation do that about a week ago, sent one around because of it.

Wow, usually they just roll ALLLLLLLLL the way to the end of the 10,000' runway at a slow crawl to cause the properly spaced airliner traffic behind them to go around! I'll have to watch for this new tactic.........

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

well, all and all.....if you just keep it rolling at a decent speed until you reach a highspeed and then roll of, its alot better then making a full stop or get to a crawl speed, spin around and then crawl to the taxi way that is behind them. In all fairness, what I have come to realize as a tower controller, they get off quicker if they roll down to the next one then if they do the 180.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Thats odd..

I thought the new tactic was to do 180+ over then fence then plow through the gas station ALLLLLLLLL the way at the other end of the runway...

 

[House_X]

At what stage of ground school do they teach you guys that it's okay to make a 180 on the runway without asking anybody?

Sincerely,
The crew of the CRJ that
flew over you at go-around
power.


(Note: tha F/O came over and apologized. The captain merely said "they don't care, they get paid block time." True, but we were shooting for underblock.)

spill it...what airport? Was it a 41, Dornier or CRJ? We have 4 domicles, over 130 airplanes and 1600 pilots. Just because one crew did a 180, it doesn't mean ACA has a bunch of $h!tty pilots.

 

[chperplt]

Everyone gets bent out of shape about everything these days... So you had to practice a go around. Was it really that big a deal?

Speaking of bitching, why is it that you guys take so long to start rolling down the runway? From position and hold to cleared to go, you guys seem to just sit there. I clocked it at 1 minute 52 seconds in ATL on Sunday. Personally, I don't care but since we're all bitching about something..

 

[Tripower455]

Thats odd..

I thought the new tactic was to do 180+ over then fence then plow through the gas station ALLLLLLLLL the way at the other end of the runway...

No, that one was a one off............


The "slow to 90 knots 10 miles out and then roll to the end for no apparent reason, causing the airliner behind you to go around" happens all the time..........

 

[Caveman]

I was on the other end of one of these scenarios recently. We were doing a MX test flight and we told approach and tower that we would need the whole length for roll out. Both said o.k. As we are rolling out tower asks if we can make the next intersection which is only about 1/2 the length down the runway. We reply no but we'll get the next one. The next thing they say is "Delta XXX, go around." The disdain and irritation in the Delta pilots voice as he responded was obvious and I can't say I blame him. From his point of view we were just taking our time. So, to the the Delta crew that had to go around on 36L the other day at CVG, sorry, but it wasn't our fault. Due to MX we couldn't get on the brakes hard and we tried to coordinate the spacing with ATC. For whatever reason they chose to ignore it and tucked you right in behind us. We weren't just screwing around with you.

 

[I.P. Freley]

I had to execute a surprise GA a year or so ago when the Citation I was following into LEX appeared to come to a dead stop in mid-air. Really, it was quite astonishing... One second we're 3mi behind him, down to approach speed (approx 140-150) at behest of the tower, next thing we're practically sniffing his tailpipe and wondering how on earth that was possible!

Must be that new Joint Strike Citation with the vertical thrust capability...

Not as bad as the time I had to sit in a hold right outside of Trenton, 25 minutes in fact (after hours, in really, really zhitty weather, to make it even better), becuz the ExecJet guy that'd landed ahead of us decided he didn't need to close his flight plan...

*GRRRRRRR!!*

 

[Typhoon1244]

Speaking of bitching, why is it that you guys take so long to start rolling down the runway? From position and hold to cleared to go, you guys seem to just sit there. I clocked it at 1 minute 52 seconds in ATL on Sunday.

Oh well, Atlanta, sure. What do you expect? Those guys are retards. (Kidding, guys. )

After "cleared for takeoff," the checklist calls for LIGHTS-ON, FUEL-CHECK. If you do it right, it takes about three seconds. Add to that five for the engines to spool up.

That's if you don't look down and see that the gyros are out fifteen degrees.

But 1 minute and 52 seconds? You're either exaggerating, making that up, or there's something you're not telling us. The tower would've wanted an explanation by then, I'd think.

Originally posted by House_X
spill it...what airport? Was it a 41, Dornier or CRJ?

TYS. Jetstream 41. About 8:00pm Monday evening.

Just because one crew did a 180, it doesn't mean ACA has a bunch of $h!tty pilots.

Oh, I know that. I was just annoyed. (Never post on Fightinfo when you're peeved!) I'm sure you guys can come up with any number of stories about ASA guys.

No, it's my friends at Chicago Express that think ACA guys are $hitty pilots. I don't know why...

 

[deez_nutz2000]

Chperplt,

did u really time how long they were on the runway? did you say to yourself " Hey, let me see how long these guys sit here? If so, what prompted you out of the blue to do this? And where did you come up with 1:52?" You seem to bull$hit a lot buddy. I'm not saying that they didnt spend too much time on the rwy, but try not to just make $hit up. J@cka$$.

 

[Tripower455]

Originally posted by Tripower455
spill it...what airport? Was it a 41, Dornier or CRJ?

I didn't say that!!!!!!!


The commuter guys are usually pretty good about clearing the runway in a reasonable amount of time.....


You'd think that a Citation, that touches down at 50 knots or so would be able to clear the active pretty fast. At least as fast as all of the Boeings, MDs, Airbusses etc.....

 

[Typhoon1244]

I didn't say that!!!!!!!

Whoops! My mistake. I fixed it.

 

[chperplt]

deez_nutz2000

You're too funny man..

Typhoon1244

They actually did get yelled at and so did we.. We were cleared pos and hold behind them and assumed they were going right out. We started rolling on to the runway and got bitched at for not waiting until they were rolling before crossing the line.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Why would ATC yell at you for rolling across the line prior to there roll? If they told you position and hold, then you can move. According the regs, if we can stack15 deep on a runway behind the one in the lead, we can do it. Ill clear one for take off, put one behind him in position and tell the next guy in line position and hold behind the guy in position. It works great when you want to run them as close as you can. I don't see why ATC would bitch about that. The only thing you gotta look out for is jetblasting someone but usually isn't a big factor.

 

[puddlejumper]

IAD - May 11

With rwy 30 closed at Dulles, all the departures had to go off the 1L and 1R. Needless to say, with the arrivals on those runways, the controllers had them spaced pretty tight. An ACA Jetstream was cleared for takeoff with a British Airway's 747 on a 3 mile final. They taxied out and sat there. Maybe 40 seconds later, their takeoff clearance was canceled and the big ol 747 was told to go around. What a mess. The ACA had to taxi down the runway and wound up going back to their ramp. I guess they needed fuel or something, could have been a maintenance issue. I never heard a single apology from either ACA pilot. Seemed pretty screwed up to me.

I think it was Flt. something711, if I remember correctly. What a way to welcome the Speedbird to the states huh?

-pj