Blochs interpretation

[mesaba13]

It sounds like Bloch cannot change the award, but only interpret its application as we go forward.

Just reading the Bloch award it would appear that 9E and XJ are both below the 279:95 ratio which triggers a ratio of 279:95 down to 41 aircraft. This would leave about 200 XJ 900 captains and 68 9E 900 captains. (41 aircraft)

The big question is as the new 900's come on line how do the ratios apply?
I have a couple thoughts on this:

First: he could direct that as the award states 279:95 applies until both XJ and 9E are above those numbers which would be 57 900's. The rest of the spots would go to Colgan, Pinnacle, and Mesaba in seniority order with 9E carrying the most spots from 57-81 aircraft.


Second: he could direct that as the award states 279:95 applies until both XJ and 9E are down to 200:68 (41 aircraft). The rest of the spots would go to XJ,9E,and Colgan in seniority order. XJ would do well up too around 350 seniority number because that's were the second group on the list would come in. 9E would then do well because they populate most of the list up to the 570 captain positions required with 81 aircraft. His reasoning could be that the 40 900's are all new aircraft that the combined group procured.

Third: he could direct that as the award states 279:95 applies until both XJ and 9E are down to 200:68 (41 aircraft). He could then say that the new
900's are a direct substitution for 9E 200's and the 541:100 ratio will apply to the 40 additional 900's. (this option almost seems like a re-write rather than interpretation to me but I am probably biased being prior XJ)

Whats everybody think?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I think, correction, I know I want a new job.

 

[RJLoser]

I think, correction, I know I want a new job.

This is my interpretation of Bloch's award as well.

 

[Flyer1015]

Bloch doesn't care. He's laughing all the way to the bank. Thank you for hiring his services. If only the Colgan tards could have gotten their heads out of their azzes with "career expectation" and just accept DOH along with Mesaba and 9E, this whole mess would have been an easier pill to swallow. Don't get me wrong, Hunta screwed things up too by demanding far too much in an unrealistic manner.

The only real winner here was the lawyer - Bloch.

 

[xjhawk]

when r the fences down? Then we have to look at what we have been told by Delta (if it was not a lie) that the majority of the 200's will leave later rather than sooner. Until 2015 it will be a slow draw down of 200's as the new 900's come on property right? Or am I mistaken? If the Block fences stay until 2015, and we have at least a few (30) 200's on property then I would be thinking that only the very senior colgan captains will hold captain after the 279/95 ratio is filled. this is going to be interesting. Almost impossible to plan anything and i sure wish I was watching from the outside instead of knee deep into a downgrade

 

[jynxyjericho]

. If only the Colgan tards could have gotten their heads out of their azzes with "career expectation" and just accept DOH along with Mesaba and 9E,

Let's be clear here. The only one of the three pilot groups sli teams wanted doh, mesaba. Stop blaming Colgan for everything. Only someone as intellectually lazy as you can keep on blaming colgan for every problem Phil and friends created.

 

[Snaab]

Let's be clear here. The only one of the three pilot groups sli teams wanted doh, mesaba. Stop blaming Colgan for everything. Only someone as intellectually lazy as you can keep on blaming colgan for every problem Phil and friends created.

Thank you! The people STILL going on about the SLI years later amaze me. No one foresaw the debacle that would be today's Pinnacle, let alone Bloch. Best part is there's nothing any one of us can do, so take solace in that, belly achers.

 

[e=mc2]

Yes, who would expect the union that has been through mergers before would have a clear and tested method to merge fellow idiots together. No better for ALPO to have all three of the groups at each others throats so that the goons can justify the theft of 1.98%, on all wages, they steal from each of your checks.

It is to much to expect that pilots will ever get that Unions are about mining dues money from memebers and nothing else.

 

[xjhawk]

yeah the way I heard it, Pinnacle wanted some sort of staple. If two out of the three groups would have agreed to a DOH, who knows what would have happened. I am not trying to live in the past, but as I make plans for the future of my career and will do it as an FO not making my mortgage payment without some serious overtime or second jobs because of the Block decision is ever present. and Snaab, guess what? its been like a year or two. Not years. even next year when I am making 36 an hour my only satisfaction will be that the fences are still up and there will be no positions for those Colgan pilots hired after me (in some cases 4-5 years) in the 900. But if I cannot get hired anywhere else, I do not think I will have the seniority to hold a captain position before the fences go down. I for sure will not hold one after the fences go down. That being said if the original XJ flows go I will be very close to holding captain even if all the 200's are gone. But we all know Delta will not hire until 2014. Oh well. Yes I am bitter and if the joke of a union called ALPA (as a representative for regionals anyways) had a merger policy in place that was fair. Heck even something that was in writing that we could know what to expect. But no-they are not about fairness and good planning-they are about false hopes and getting paid off to make more money for the mainline pilots and not having a care about the severe consequences of so many jobs being lost. Just F'ing peachy

 

[jynxyjericho]

yeah the way I heard it, Pinnacle wanted some sort of staple.

Well no need to guess the Mesaba merger guys will tell you the story and Bloch gave a pretty thorough description of what Pinnacle tried (and failed) at.

If two out of the three groups would have agreed to a DOH, who knows what would have happened. I am not trying to live in the past, but as I make plans for the future of my career and will do it as an FO not making my mortgage payment without some serious overtime or second jobs because of the Block decision is ever present. and Snaab, guess what? its been like a year or two. Not years. even next year when I am making 36 an hour my only satisfaction will be that the fences are still up and there will be no positions for those Colgan pilots hired after me (in some cases 4-5 years) in the 900. But if I cannot get hired anywhere else, I do not think I will have the seniority to hold a captain position before the fences go down. I for sure will not hold one after the fences go down. That being said if the original XJ flows go I will be very close to holding captain even if all the 200's are gone. But we all know Delta will not hire until 2014. Oh well. Yes I am bitter and if the joke of a union called ALPA (as a representative for regionals anyways) had a merger policy in place that was fair. Heck even something that was in writing that we could know what to expect. But no-they are not about fairness and good planning-they are about false hopes and getting paid off to make more money for the mainline pilots and not having a care about the severe consequences of so many jobs being lost. Just F'ing peachy

There is a long document governing a merger process called Mckatskill-Bond (spelling?)and it's public knowledge. Also, if you ask the merger groups they will tell you the pre approved methods ALPA will allow the arbitrator to use, and I believe that is in the Bloch document as well. It's 3 or 4 different methods, one is DOH, ratio or weighted is another. The merger committee... well the Mesaba one anyhow, put together a argument using 20 years of merger precendence (and it's problems) describing the benefits for our pilot group in a DOH with fences. Stapling wasn't allowed so Hunter had to come up with the convoluted staple job that failed and Bloch said was unnessiarily punishing (paraphrasing) toward the other pilot groups.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Call up your guys.