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Yep.

1.8 mil x 1700 or so would be a fair number....And, I believe it should be levied against the Lives and Estates , in perpetuity, against the Airtran MEC members that allowed this to occur.

I have seen it time and again...Collectively the MEC thinks it knows everything, and then proceeds to foul things up ( Lack of DFR ) , when ALL they needed to do was put it to the membership for a vote.

I hope, in this case, some precedent is set that sends a message loud and clear..." Members of the MEC's, you are just another line pilot. Check your ego and let the people have their say. "

Simple.

Most Airtran Pilot's would have been smart enough to take Mr. Kelly's first offer. Which would have worked for all...( Can you imagine the look on his face when these geniuses turned it down without so much as a membership poll/vote ? )

These few individuals of the Airtran ALPA MEC 'Effed it all up...for ALL parties concerned.

Payment is due. Not only to Airtran pilots, but to SWA as a whole.

I think Mr. Kelly should testify in favor of the Plaintiffs and against each individual of the MEC that allowed this to happen.

I have to go now...I have bricks to throw off an overpass, and a few fires to start.

Discuss.
 
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Does it say anywhere that the MEC was allowed to vote without your consent? In the bylaws? Does it say somewhere that the membership was supposed to have a vote? If it does, that isn't good for the union.


Godspeed!


The OYSter
 
You have to pay to be part of this lawsuit. They want $500 down and $50 a month indefinitely until this thing is settled. It is not a class action lawsuit. If you think it is a worth while cause then by all means join in. I am still not sure how I feel about this.
 
I liked the quotes about how those within the LEC tried to stear the discussion on the first vote. Very interesting. Not sure if it gets traction, but still interesting.
 
It's Alpa's fault Gary Kelly played chicken with an armored car and the AirTran pilots were on a tricycle?

These guys don't represent a majority.....just themselves.
 
Holy crap! Ortschied, Chilla, Janning and others are friggin famous. That is some stupid stuff there, bros. what harm is there in a vote. If the pilots approve, it's on their hands. If they reject, it's still on their hands and their mandate that more be done or they prefer another route.

Nice work old ATN MEC! Well, done and good way to hose your pilots that put you there to REPRESENT them.

I hope those guys win the suit...with all damages.
 
Anthony Chilla bought his wife a set of "fun bags" for Christmas about 12-13 years ago. When I was told of his Christmas present, I asked him if he labeled the tag on the present...

To: Anthony
From: Anthony

Chilla actually isnt a bad guy....
 
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Keeping in mind that a signed "Process Agreement" existed at the time in question, would the MEC have truly "represented" the pilot group by simply passing along the company offer for a vote? It appears that maybe the MEC was planning to actually utilize the resources and framework that all four parties had initially agreed to. Whether the pilot group was properly represented is an arguable point.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but it appears that the mistake that the MEC made was trusting SW management to keep their word by following the agreement that they signed. How management gets a free pass is beyond me.

S
 
Nothing was done outside of the Process Agreement.
 
Bill Nelson said:
Nothing was done outside of the Process Agreement.
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With all due respect, how would you define the rumored conversation between the mec and Herb/Colleen? If the veiled threat of no integration unless acceptance of the last offer is true, do you consider that type of negotiation as a legitimate part of the agreement?

S
 
The problem was the process agreement. It was the "best" we could get. Unfortunately. The language was not extremely strong and there were holes. I love how the MEC touted the process agreement as full proof when no other agreement in Airtran's history was perfect. GK could have not integrated us and exploited the holes in the process agreement. Im still disappointed that SW management pulled the non integration "threat".
 
Now Trannies are suing ALPA

We all knew this was coming!

Something like $200K per count, 9 counts= 1.8 million per pilot for all trannies.

I assume they want to give back their seniority gains from the first deal to the second.

The best part is that several of the names on the suit are on another list from the eal days. They were pardoned by ALPA and are now suing.
 
MILF Hunter said:
Something like $200K per count, 9 counts= 1.8 million per pilot for all trannies.

I assume they want to give back their seniority gains from the first deal to the second.

The best part is that several of the names on the suit are on another list from the eal days. They were pardoned by ALPA and are now suing.
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Funny thing is they are representing themselves. No attorney would touch it. The truth of the matter is that alpa advised them to send it out for a vote and someone at the local mec decided to play one-armed cowboy. Of course like typical ambulance chasers, you sue everyone with the deepest pockets. I wouldn't be surprised to see them sue SWa next.
 
MILF Hunter said:
We all knew this was coming!

Something like $200K per count, 9 counts= 1.8 million per pilot for all trannies.

I assume they want to give back their seniority gains from the first deal to the second.

The best part is that several of the names on the suit are on another list from the eal days. They were pardoned by ALPA and are now suing.
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All you had to do was look about two threads away.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=147524
 
Who did these morons get to type this thing? Maybe a little proofreading before sending it of to court should have been the way to go? I am on page 8 and keep coming across typos.
 
tzskipper said:
With all due respect, how would you define the rumored conversation between the mec and Herb/Colleen? If the veiled threat of no integration unless acceptance of the last offer is true, do you consider that type of negotiation as a legitimate part of the agreement?

S
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I would describe it as rumor.
 
LeeRoyJenkins said:
Who did these morons get to type this thing? Maybe a little proofreading before sending it of to court should have been the way to go? I am on page 8 and keep coming across typos.
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Their attorney is Michael Haber. The same attorney that the RJDC wankers used. Knowing that, all of the lies, misrepresentations, misspellings, bad grammar, and everything else makes perfect sense.
 
God what a joke. I remember a bunch of clowns on here saying how bad SL9 was and how great it was the MEC voted it down. Duuuhhh
 
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PCL_128 said:
Their attorney is Michael Haber. The same attorney that the RJDC wankers used. Knowing that, all of the lies, misrepresentations, misspellings, bad grammar, and everything else makes perfect sense.
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Who said this:

I wouldn't even bet on it going to a vote at AirTran. It may get killed at the MEC level.
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