Blackwater aviation.....why not use military pilots

[CitationLover]

...What's occuring in Iraq and Afghanistan is no different.

they have 10 times the number of contractors these days in the gulf than in the 1st gulf war. what dick cheney started and rumsfeld aggressively pursued have outsourced and bled the military dry.

 

[CitationLover]

double post

 

[T-prop]

Civilians take note.

When are ya gonna add F-16 to your profile Mr. Cuervo?

 

[414Flyer]

they have 10 times the number of contractors these days in the gulf than in the 1st gulf war. what dick cheney started and rumsfeld aggressively pursued have outsourced and bled the military dry.

You are comparing trying to rebuild Iraq, and to an war fighting the Iraqi armed forces. Thats not quite a valid comparison. Tell us about the occupation of Iraq in the first war in 91.

So if you are saying the military is being outsourced and privatized, are you saying that Blackwater, Presidental, ICI, etc are equivalent to military units, and part of offensive efforts against insurgents too?

 

[CitationLover]

You are comparing trying to rebuild Iraq, and to an war fighting the Iraqi armed forces. Thats not quite a valid comparison. Tell us about the occupation of Iraq in the first war in 91.

So if you are saying the military is being outsourced and privatized, are you saying that Blackwater, Presidental, ICI, etc are equivalent to military units, and part of offensive efforts against insurgents too?

well we occupied part of saudi arabia for 4 months in 1990 as a precursor to the war with 5 times the numbers we see in iraq today yet with 1/10th the number of contractors. do you magically see the contractors disappearing once the iraq occupation ends? why is blackwater "assisting" the coast guard during katrina in new orleans?

as to your second part, it isn't what I'm saying, it's what THEY ARE saying. Blackwater has always used the Feres Doctrine in EVERY defense strategy for their numerous lawsuits.

 

[414Flyer]

The US military was an occupational military force in Saudi? Gee, I seem to have forgotten where we fought the Saudis and took over part of their country.

You neglected to mention that the contractor number includes Iraqis working for us there.

Nor was there an occupational and rebuilding effort for Iraq after GW1. Construction workers, linguists, food services, and bureaucrats do not have to be military, nor should they be.

Your whole argument was that there are 100,000 people in Iraq doing military jobs, and that you bring up Blackwater and Dyncorp.

Yet those two companies are about 2-3 percent of the contractors there. So much for that massive contractor force doing military ops.

 

[CitationLover]

The US military was an occupational military force in Saudi? Gee, I seem to have forgotten where we fought the Saudis and took over part of their country.

You neglected to mention that the contractor number includes Iraqis working for us there.

Nor was there an occupational and rebuilding effort for Iraq after GW1. Construction workers, linguists, food services, and bureaucrats do not have to be military, nor should they be.

Your whole argument was that there are 100,000 people in Iraq doing military jobs, and that you bring up Blackwater and Dyncorp.

Yet those two companies are about 2-3 percent of the contractors there. So much for that massive contractor force doing military ops.

and this is different from the us military with its internal support structure? how many troops in iraq are dedicated to combat operations versus logistics and support?

i didn't NEGLECT anything, it's in the washington post article THAT I POSTED. are you high? it also includes those fine outstanding Chileans that Blackwater hired as mercs, they learned their "skills" torturing other Chileans under Pinochet.

do you deny the us military and its associated coalition occupied saudi land for 4 months leading up to the gulf war where logistically contractors and internal support were used to maintain them? that force dwarfed the current one in iraq and used 1/10th the number of contractors.

you must really like secretary rumsfeld. he did a heck of a job planning the "restructuring and rebuilding" in iraq. i guess his plan of borrowing the old central american death squad plan and sent in john negroponte to execute it failed. but hey when the numerous IG's are in the contractors pockets anything goes.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12596
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...,3649705.story?coll=la-news-politics-national

if you don't believe me, how about Gen. Powell (who I guess knows nothing on this subject) who stated "the active Army is about broken".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/17/AR2006121700494.html

will you trust hillary to allow her favorite businesses to come in and subcontract? keep your head in the sand. can we not call them contractors, but what they really are: mercenaries.

 

[3ds]

CL take your political rantings somewhere else. We get it -- you don't like GWB and can't wait for HRC.

The BW pilots are some of the most experienced pilots in the type of flying they do: mountainous terrain, low level, airdrop, dirt landings, underpowered equipment, and demanding customers. All in a threat environment. They do it so often that it becomes commonplace. And I bet most pilots can testify that when they fly similar routes over and over and over again, they too have made mistakes, albeit less costly than these guys. Overall, BW's record is pretty darn good considering the number sorties they fly. MAybe they're over there because they want to help out?

"ANALYSIS
The unpressurized airplane collided with mountainous terrain at an elevation of 14,650 feet msl in a box canyon about 80 nm west of the departure airport in daylight visual meteorological conditions. "
Get your facts straight next time you launch a diatribe. It'll help your credibility.
Great avatar USMCairwinger.

 

[CitationLover]

CL take your political rantings somewhere else. We get it -- you don't like GWB and can't wait for HRC.

The BW pilots are some of the most experienced pilots in the type of flying they do: mountainous terrain, low level, airdrop, dirt landings, underpowered equipment, and demanding customers. All in a threat environment. They do it so often that it becomes commonplace. And I bet most pilots can testify that when they fly similar routes over and over and over again, they too have made mistakes, albeit less costly than these guys. Overall, BW's record is pretty darn good considering the number sorties they fly. MAybe they're over there because they want to help out?

"ANALYSIS
The unpressurized airplane collided with mountainous terrain at an elevation of 14,650 feet msl in a box canyon about 80 nm west of the departure airport in daylight visual meteorological conditions. "
Get your facts straight next time you launch a diatribe. It'll help your credibility.
Great avatar USMCairwinger.

i admit my misspeak, but you still don't address the original question.

my facts are straight, Blackwater has manipulated itself and insulated itself by hiring former IG's and Cofer Black. the point about Hillary was not about me voting for her (far from it), but rather will you trust her private contractors she likes to fly for the military as the precedent is set. i guess you think Colin Powell is wrong too.

and get it straight. they are over their to MAKE MONEY, not some patriotic duty. why would they hire Chileans if it is patriotic. it appears to me the military folks on this board are making the same mistake major airlines made with regard to scope, simply turning a blind eye until it is too late.

 

[Ill Mitch]

i admit my misspeak, but you still don't address the original question.

my facts are straight, Blackwater has manipulated itself and insulated itself by hiring former IG's and Cofer Black. the point about Hillary was not about me voting for her (far from it), but rather will you trust her private contractors she likes to fly for the military as the precedent is set. i guess you think Colin Powell is wrong too.

and get it straight. they are over their to MAKE MONEY, not some patriotic duty. why would they hire Chileans if it is patriotic. it appears to me the military folks on this board are making the same mistake major airlines made with regard to scope, simply turning a blind eye until it is too late.

And this wrong? Whether private company or military, it is all still a business with budgets and politics.
Mercenaries have been in use since 12BC or thereabouts. It will never change.

Why can't the military do the jobs you speak of? Because, bottom line, it is cheaper to use PMC's (or whatever you want to call them). For every combat soldier, there are dozens of other military personel in the role of support. Mercs are much more efficient...plus, they WANT to be over there.