Bizzare CFI Arrest Story...Worst FBO Mishap Story Part Deux

[NorthShore]

So a police officer positions themselves as a victim then denies he or she is a police officer. Didn't that used to be called entrapment?

Of course, it's alright because we are dealing with sickos. But pleas don't whine when it filters down, of "mission creeps" to where your little crimes reside.

 

[atrdriver]

You guys were making comments about creepy 40, 50, 60 year-olds having sex with minors. In Wisconsin, it doesn't matter if you're a creepy 15 year-old or a creepy 50 year-old...it's a felony for "whoever" to have sex with anyone under the age of 16.

And you weren't girl crazy when you were 15. I'll bet you didn't even think aobut getting laid till you were 18, huh? We were all looking for it at 15, whether it was legal or not. Any guy who wasn't is either gay, lying, or wears a pocket protector.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

But it's a funny song!

I hope he grins like Jack Nicholson,
And forces you to play a game called Balls On Chin,
And whatever happens next is all a blur,
But you remember "fist" can be a verb,
And when you finally regain consciousness,
You're bound and gagged in a wedding dress,
And the prison guard looks the other way,
'Cause he's the guy ya flipped the bird the other day

Bloodhound Gang, Gotta love them!

 

[FN FAL]

And you weren't girl crazy when you were 15. I'll bet you didn't even think aobut getting laid till you were 18, huh? We were all looking for it at 15, whether it was legal or not. Any guy who wasn't is either gay, lying, or wears a pocket protector.

You're trying to argue the difference between morals, ethics and committing criminal acts.

Once again, in Wisconsin, it is felony for two 15 year olds to have sex. Whether they are gay, wear pocket protectors or want it, is immaterial.

 

[FN FAL]

If they are not out there, are they just making their own law enforcement industry?

It's all about getting convictions. Think of it this way, most of the ones that I saw pictured in the articles looked like they might be liberals. If you can convert liberals into convicted felons, who cares if they wind up on GPS monitoring bracelets in a supervised monitoring situation, just so long as they can't vote in the next election and compete with the rest of us for jobs and political positions?

 

[Corbon]

So a police officer positions themselves as a victim then denies he or she is a police officer. Didn't that used to be called entrapment?

Of course, it's alright because we are dealing with sickos. But pleas don't whine when it filters down, of "mission creeps" to where your little crimes reside.

I think since these guys are predisposed to their crimes and actively seeking some young lovin, it isnt entrapment. But if you're just minding your own business and the cops starting just IMing or emailing you pretending to be a minor looking for sex, that WOULD be entrapment. It's like going to pick up a hooker and finding out she's a cop. Not entrapment because you went looking for some dirty nooky on your own.

Far from a lawyer but thats my understanding of it.

 

[mcjohn]

Makes sense.

 

[FN FAL]

I think since these guys are predisposed to their crimes and actively seeking some young lovin, it isnt entrapment. But if you're just minding your own business and the cops starting just IMing or emailing you pretending to be a minor looking for sex, that WOULD be entrapment. It's like going to pick up a hooker and finding out she's a cop. Not entrapment because you went looking for some dirty nooky on your own.

Far from a lawyer but thats my understanding of it.

It wouldn't be hard to look up entrapment on line at any of the law library resources.

Off the top of my head, entrapment isn't the cop behind the billboard with a radar gun, like my dad believes it is.

However, if the cop is in an umarked cop car and he pulls up next to you at the stop light and challenges you to a drag race, he can't bust you for that, he suggested that you violate the law. That is entrapment. If you made the offer to the unmarked car officer, then you get what you got comming to you when you romp on it.

Same principle applies to other arrests. Remember the old movie, "the chior boys"? Probably not, but it was a great film...one of Joseph Waumbaughs funniest cop movies and the book was a riot as well.

Any way, Detectives needed fresh undercover operative meat from the patrol division, so they get some fresh faces to come in and work prostitution sting ops. The old seasoned detective is telling the soon to be undercover patrol cop that he needs to get the hooker to say "what she'll do and for how much".

They finally agree that they got to the hooker to say, "sucky-%&#y, five bucks" otherwise it's entrapment.

They next scene ends with the (a very young and dorky looking James Woods)plainclothes rookie cop chasing the prostitute down the street screaming that phrase at the fleeing prostitutes after he got them to admit to what and how much. Its funnier in the movie.

 

[SansPlane]

#6 – Got to love a guy who goes all out for his mug shot. I pegged him for one of the guys who works down the street at the video store.

Not sure if this is considered hijacking a thread, but based on the Dateline series and this thread, Internet Pedophilia appears to be mostly, a “Caucasian” crime.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It's all about getting convictions. Think of it this way, most of the ones that I saw pictured in the articles looked like they might be liberals. If you can convert liberals into convicted felons, who cares if they wind up on GPS monitoring bracelets in a supervised monitoring situation, just so long as they can't vote in the next election and compete with the rest of us for jobs and political positions?

I'm guessing most of those clowns don't vote at all anyway. Sorry I don't see the evil Republican conspiracy there. Both parties are out to screw us evenly. Unfortunately Government has long since lost it's of/by/for the people ideals.

 

[FN FAL]

I'm guessing most of those clowns don't vote at all anyway. Sorry I don't see the evil Republican conspiracy there. Both parties are out to screw us evenly. Unfortunately Government has long since lost it's of/by/for the people ideals.

Yea, the Left does it by trying to create laws that make it a felony to possess a firearm within 1,000 feet of school property. Fortunately, thanks to the United States v. Lopez ruling, that segment of the Brady Bill was overturned.

I don't think that any Supreme Court case will ever make it legal again for 14 year olds to get up off of that booty. :nuts:

 

[atrdriver]

You're trying to argue the difference between morals, ethics and committing criminal acts.

Once again, in Wisconsin, it is felony for two 15 year olds to have sex. Whether they are gay, wear pocket protectors or want it, is immaterial.

I didn't say it was legal, moral, or ethical. I said that we were all girl crazy at 15.

 

[FN FAL]

I didn't say it was legal, moral, or ethical. I said that we were all girl crazy at 15.

If you act on your impulses with a 15 year old girl in Wisconsin, it's a felony. Whether you're a girl crazy 15 year old or a girl crazy 50 year old.

Here's another creepy 25 year old from Slippery Rock PA. He has to take a four year break from helping to fight Usama in order to make license plates...

By Steve Hankins

Daily Dunklin Democrat
A proactive, cooperative effort among law enforcement agencies resulted in a number of arrests involving Internet usage to have sex with minor girls including a soldier from Fort Leonard Wood.

The Kennett Police Department Special Response Team (SRT), assisted by the Bootheel Drug Task Force (BDTF) and the Kennett Police Department under the direct supervision of Pemiscot County Sheriff Tommy Greenwell and Kennett Police Department Chief Barry Tate conducted an Internet sex sting at Kennett.

More than a dozen men were arrested who trolled the Internet searching for sex with children.

“These guys knew exactly what they were looking for and thought they had set up a date for sex with a child,” a task force agent said.

The Army suspect is Staff Sgt. Ryan D. Dubyak, 25, from Slippery Rock, Penn., temporarily assigned to Fort Leonard Wood, who agents said came to meet his intended victim in a vehicle equipped with U.S. government license plates.

A military uniform hung inside the car, agents said.
Dunklin County Prosecuting Attorney Stephen Sokoloff filed second-degree attempted statutory rape, a D-felony that is punishable by up to four years in state prison.

 

[FN FAL]

I didn't say it was legal, moral, or ethical. I said that we were all girl crazy at 15.

Just after I replied, I found this story about the creepy 18 year old chick...see, it's not just a crime for 40, 50, 60 year old men, is it?

1:59 PM March 23, 2006


Westfield girl, 18, accused of having sex with younger teen

By James A. Gillaspy
[email protected]
March 23, 2006


A Westfield High School girl is being prosecuted on felony charges for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old male schoolmate.

The father of Laura M. Wilcox, an 18-year-old senior who survived a drunken-driving accident that killed two classmates in 2004, declined to discuss the charges of sexual misconduct with a minor today. He indicated, though, that he and his wife were puzzled by the case involving consenting teens.
"We certainly have an opinion," said Daniel Wilcox. "I can't share anything. You'll have to talk to my attorney."

Attorney Sam Robinson was out of the office and unavailable for comment today.

In a statement of evidence submitted last week to obtain a warrant for the girl's arrest, Hamilton County Sheriff's Department investigator Kija Ireland said the crime occurred after Wilcox gave the boy a ride home from school on Feb. 1.

The Star generally does not identify alleged victims of a sex crime.
Ireland labeled the boy V#025 in her statement. She said he described what happened with Wilcox in a Feb. 14 interview.

"V#025 asked the accused to come inside his residence," said Ireland. "Once inside, the accused and V#025 started making out and then went to V#025 bedroom, where the accused performed (a sex act) on V#025.

Sheriff's Maj. Mark Bowen said authorities set up the interview with the Hamilton County Division of Child Services after the boy's parents filed a complaint on Feb. 6.

The warrant ordering the arrest of Wilcox was obtained after attorney Robinson told investigators she would not consent to an interview. Wilcox surrendered and was released on $10,000 bond pending trial.

 

[FN FAL]

Jeeze...it just doesn't end! Look what was in the news tonight! I'm just shaking my head over this one. I really didn't care much about the subject until I saw the CFI story on that Spector guy. You guys will have to forgive me for going so "hog wild" on this subject, but I never knew how prevelant this was...

Homeland Agent Arrested in Seduction Case
By MICHELLE SPITZER
Associated Press Writer

MIAMI (AP) -- The deputy press secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security was arrested Tuesday for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage girl, authorities said.

Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested at his residence in Maryland on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla.

Doyle, of Silver Spring, Md., had a sexually explicit conversation with what he believed was a 14-year-old girl whose profile he saw on the Internet on March 14, the Polk County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The girl was an undercover Polk County Sheriff's Computer Crimes detective, the sheriff's office said.

Doyle sent the girl pornographic movie clips and had sexually explicit conversations via the Internet, the statement said.

During other online conversations, Doyle revealed his name, that he worked for the Homeland Security Department and offered his office and government issued cell phone numbers, the sheriff's office said.

Doyle also sent photos of himself to the girl, but authorities said they were not sexually explicit.

On several occasions, Doyle instructed her to perform a sexual act while thinking of him and described explicit activities he wanted to have with her, investigators said.

Doyle later had a telephone conversation with an undercover deputy posing as the teenager and encouraged her to purchase a web camera to send graphic images of herself to him, the sheriff's office said.

He was booked into Maryland's Montgomery County jail where he was waiting to be extradited to Florida, the sheriff's office said.

There was no immediate response to messages left on Doyle's government-issued cell phone and his e-mail, and he could not be reached by phone at the jail for comment.

Homeland Security press secretary Russ Knocke in Washington said he could not comment on the details of the investigation. "We take these allegations very seriously, and we will cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation," Knocke said.

Doyle, who is the fourth-ranking official in the department's public affairs office, was expected to be placed on administrative leave Wednesday morning.

 

[NorthShore]

BTW. I knew it was a weak azzed arguement, just wanted to get people to look at the longer view.

 

[mpflies2]

‘‘I asked (if) you were a police officer,’’ Spector said.
‘‘And I said no,’’ Marcolini said.
‘‘You lied,’’ Spector responded.
‘‘Well, you got me there,’’ Marcolini replied.



Thats hilarious

 

[FN FAL]

Girl gets felony conviction and must register as a sex offender for using video camera to film, "girls gone wild" type video at age 17...

Click here for Wisconsin Circuit Court records

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=421724

...Bill wrote that my column, which mentioned that the 15-year-old and one of the 17-year-olds, along with some others, came to Roloff's house with a camcorder, made it "abundantly clear that these so-called children were very willing participants in these activities." And, Bill added, "I would think there should be some censure of their activities as well."

In fact, for one of them, there was. Jenna Simons was only 17 at the time but was charged as an adult with helping make a video of what happened.

She told me Sunday that she didn't fully understand, at the time, how what she was doing was wrong but has learned from her mistake.

She pleaded no contest, according to court records, and said Sunday that the judge in her case - not Kirk - went by the book. As a result of her plea, she is now on the registry of sex offenders.

"I am going to pay for it the rest of my life because it is going to be with me," she said.

That is not Roloff's case.

That's partly because, having seen the tape, Judge Kirk does not think anyone was victimized. There was, he said at Roloff's sentencing, "a 'Girls Gone Wild' " element to the video.

To "call these girls in this videotape the victims is an insult," he said.
Simons, for her part, clearly accepts responsibility, but also notes the obvious.

"I was charged as an adult," she said, "but I was also a child."
Nevertheless, she ended up with what she considers a stiffer penalty than Roloff's: being listed publicly as a sex offender.

 

[sky37d]

That does it then, nobody under the age of 35 should be allowed to learn how to fly. I don't know how this is relevant at all, but it is the way it is going to have to be.

I remember seeing a movie, about Errol Flynn, and after he got off, from the charge of statuatory rape, he threw a party. At the front door, there was a sign, that all women would be required to produce birth certificates before entering.

The day of freebies for old guys has long since passed.

 

[FN FAL]

I remember seeing a movie, about Errol Flynn, and after he got off, from the charge of statuatory rape, he threw a party. At the front door, there was a sign, that all women would be required to produce birth certificates before entering.

The day of freebies for old guys has long since passed.

Not neccesarily...the judge in this "girls gone wild" like video case, made it so the 20 year old male in the case doesn't have to register on the sex offender list until 2105. Which means he'll be dead by then. Kind of a freebie.

Charge Sentence Details

Counts 1 & 2 to run concurrent and concurrent with counts 10, 14 & 17. The entry of the Judgement of Conviction/Sentence is stayed by the Court until 11/28/2105.

Other: Defendant to register as a sex offender on 11/28/2105.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=421325

Kirk's own description of Roloff is perhaps the most colorful.

"Mr. Roloff," said the judge at a sentencing last November, "I don't have much positive to say about you, and I will be very honest with you. I think you are a dumb, stupid, peckerhead chump."

"You're the unofficial city of Waupaca town pump or, as Deuce Bigalow coined, you're a man whore."

Actually, he was something worse. Roloff was charged with nine felonies and eight misdemeanors ranging from second-degree sexual assault of a child to child sexual exploitation to child enticement to having sex with a child 16 or older. There were so many counts because there were so many girls.

All of the felonies and three of the misdemeanors stem from what occurred on a school day in April of 2005. Four girls - ages 18, 17, 15 and 14 - skipped school that day, stopped at the 17-year-old's house to pick up a camcorder, met Roloff at a gas station and then walked to his house.

Roloff was accused of doing all sorts of things that day and eventually pleaded no contest to several of them.

He had intercourse with the 17-year-old. He had intercourse with the 15-year-old. Much of what happened was videotaped, which is a felony in and of itself. The judge himself noted the sex was unprotected.

Much of the complaint was dismissed in the plea bargain, but the 18-year-old told police that Roloff asked both her and the 14-year-old if they also wanted to do it, which they didn't. She said much of what happened was in the open and, she said, the 14-year-old at one point pushed her into the bathroom, where she witnessed enough depravity to vomit. That, she said, was when everybody laughed at her.

The charges weren't limited to just that day. Roloff also pleaded no contest to, when he was 18 or 19, having intercourse with a totally different girl who was then 16; and to, when he was 19, having intercourse with yet another girl who was then 17.

It's a case of the last man in the world you'd ever want anywhere near your daughter. And that, right there, is the crux of the problem with what is a truly baffling sentence, especially coming from a judge who seems to realize, at least to some extent, this guy is more than just a chucklehead.

At the initial sentencing, Kirk basically gave Roloff jail time for the misdemeanors and put him on probation. He refused, however, to impose a sentence for the felonies because he didn't want the poor fella to end up on the registry of sex offenders.

He, according to a transcript of the November sentencing that I will share in further detail on Monday, doesn't seem to think there were victims. Despite the age disparities.

Snider's office immediately asked the judge to do his job and sentence Roloff for the all crimes of which he was convicted. And the judge recently did. He conceded that, well yes, the man should be on the registry - but not until the year 2105. By then, of course, we'll all be dead.