Bin laden helo crash site

[bigshooter107]

Any one catch the photos of the tail rotor of the helo that crashed during this operation. It appears to be a "closed" rotor system. The 160th soar flys uh60 little birds and shinnoks, maybe kiowas, but the only helicopters that I know of that utilize this type of rotor are the coast guard dolphin and the now defunct commanche. Tail boom may even have some faceting, low radar cross section... Hmmmm.........

 

[xrated]

Shhhhhhhhh!!!

 

[dougdrvr]

http://nosint.blogspot.com/

lots of interesting comments from UH-60 savvy people in the comments section
http://defensetech.org/2011/05/03/another-shot-of-the-secret-helicopter-used-in-bin-laden-raid/

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

The 160th flies mh60's, mh47's and if course the little bird. Something tells me they might have flown into Afghanistan this time. There frequent customers were seals/delta/SF types.

 

[ExAF]

"Stealth/Quiet Chopper"

How about this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/top-s...-program-revealed-osama-bin/story?id=13530693

 

[skidbuggy]

Maybe it was this........?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr_CJL1YQRc


It's probably on the back of a camel headed for China right now.

 

[Jetdriver69]

I have to say that as a prior army pilot, I was very disappointed that special forces helicopter pilots did not recognize that landing in a high density altitude, confined area with tall perimeter walls could lead to settling with power and the subsequent crash. For those you aren't up on helo aerdynamics, the tip of the rotor generates a vortice like an airplane wing that usually is despersed by the ground and spread out away from the helicopter. But in a high walled compound, the vortices are forced back up into the rotor system resulting in loss of lift. The pilots then probably pulled more power to stop the sink rate which actually made matters worse by creating larger vortices. The only way out is to have enough altitude and fly forward out of the confined area, which they did not have. With all the planning that went into this strike, you would have thought some IP would have caught this possibility.

 

[Bjammin]

I would suspend any judgment what-so-ever until we get all the facts. It could have been a failure of some kind, a tangled up drop line, who knows! Way to diss a guy while he's probably still shaken up.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

try this,

http://aviadesign.online.fr/images/sikorsky-stealthhawk-profile.jpg

 

[waka]

Shhhhhhhhh!!!

yeah, real big secrets in that first post

 

[JungleJett]

There I was sitting on my couch listening to news reports about a secret helicopter crash and suddenly I know exactly what happened and feel the need to question the abilities of a special operations helicopter pilot. He shoulda....I woulda...I coulda...

I wonder is going to win Dancing With The Stars tonight....I am pretty stoked.

 

[OPECJet]

Is the fat chick still in it?

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

I would suspend any judgment what-so-ever until we get all the facts. It could have been a failure of some kind, a tangled up drop line, who knows! Way to diss a guy while he's probably still shaken up.

This. I'm amazed that someone has the gall to Monday morning QB this. You have no clue what happened or went wrong.

 

[JungleJett]

Maybe someone has some Nightstalker envy...got passed over for selection..??

 

[Dolce]

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/05/17/new-details-in-bin-laden-raid/

J69,
Maybe you shouldn't arm chair quarterback being you weren't involved with the operation! If any of the details are even true regarding the raid, they may have been set up to possibly fail to get a high-value target...rewards outweighed the known risk!

Tex

 

[Jetdriver69]

I never meant to disparage anyone in the 160th and if it appeared so, I apologize. I had very great friends who flew for the those guys and they were always very professional. But for those you criticized my comments, I see you have zero helicopter experience. I was a military IP in helos and an accident investigator. To answer someone else, I did fly SF out of Bad Tolz in West Germany on several occasions during Operation Flintlock exercises and I did fly into very confined spaces at high weights with NVGs. To criticize the planning of this raid does not reflect on the bravery of the men flying the mission. If I was off on the causal event of the accident, settling with power and/or high sink rate with high PA/DA is certain to be found contributory. But I do not belief the pilots were intentionally "set up to fail" because of the high value target, that is rediculous. I just believe in this case, a few things might have been overlooked or were not thought to be a high value by the higher ups planning the raid. I have seen it before in Bosnia and Somalia, to name a few.

 

[Bjammin]

It doesn't matter if you were Helo IP so-n-so, there is NO WAY you could know what happened and guessing is just not called for.
When a A/C commander signs for an aircraft he takes full responsibility for that aircraft and his PAX thus you ARE disparaging them by saying, He should have done this, not done that, etc. If it was a faulty plan a good aircraft commander would not put his or his PAX lives at that sort of unnecessary risk.
Let's celebrate their success first, find out the facts of the accident second, and lightly lay blame, if there is any, last. No one got hurt or captured and B/L is no more, that = success!!!!

 

[JungleJett]

You should have quit while you were behind. The accident has been discussed at length where I am and among those discussing were quite a few former 160th pilots..not a one said, "oh..they must have done this...or done that" There was more discussion on the helicopter that crashed.