Biggest issue for the "new United" pilots - SCOPE!

[scarlet]

Yeah stop paying Republic and then competeing against them. Or having Republic Deadheading their crewmembers on your flight to cover their flights (Frontier flts)., or fueling their plain white a/c at United gate and then taxi to Frontier gate=United pays the fuel.

 

[V1rowt8]

Uuuhhh... What?

 

[skywdriver]

The answer is to let the regional contracts for 70 seat aircraft expire at their normal expiration dates. If the new United needs these aircraft they become mainline aircraft. If that means we have to contract for training with the very same airline we just severed ties with than so be it. We become a launch customer for the new C-series or the M-jet for aircraft seating 85-115 seats and these aircraft become mainline aircraft with simulators located in IAH or DEN. Mainline mechanics work on them and mainine flight attendants staff the cabins. End of story. We sign agreements with the current 70 seat operators offering any displaced pilots interviews with UAL if the expiration of the 70 seat contracts down the road result in the furloughs of that particular company's pilots. Another angle would be to interview the pilots in seniority order at the carriers affected by cuts due to the loss of the 70 seat jets thus resulting in upward movement at the effected carriers. Work with Bombardier to phase out the CRJ700/900 we will now own(or hold the leases on) in a deal for C-series jets down the road. I think it will work out. Those pilots at these carriers that do not get picked up by UAL during the preferential interview process probably would have been lifers at the regional level anyway so at least if interviews are offered in seniority order at the effected regional airlines that person can advance upward by having mainline UAL take over the 70+ seat flying.
This will not happen over a 2 year period. It may take a decade but it WILL bring back the furloughed UAL/CAL pilots a lot quicker and provide stable mainline jobs going forward for thousands of pilots looking forward to a career in the airlines.

Very well said, probably nothing we can do about current 70 seaters with current contracts, but not one more 70 seater on property, and as contracts expire, all additional flying over 50 seats comes to mainline. WE have the chance to reverse something that has been degrading this career since 9-11. If we are able to make this change, I guarantee you every contract negotiation from here on out with other legacy carriers will follow suit. 50-70 seat jets are going to be obsolete from an efficiency standpoint once the newer 90-110 seaters hit the market. If the combined company wants a piece of that action, they will agree to let mainline pilots fly those jets. IF they don't, then that is a bad business decision on their part and not my problem. Outsourcing must stop now.

 

[maxblast72]

Watch out ... Republic is already headed down this road. With 30% less operating costs, that C-series is gonna change the game.

The only road Republic is heading down is the same one Independence did. No way Republic survives longterm from the competition Southwest is bringing in Denver and Airtran is bringing in Milwaukee. Republic ain't going to have their branded operation long enough to be the Bombardier CS-300 North American launch customer in 2015. What is Republic's cash position, $200 million? That won't last too long against 2 of the strongest LCCs in the business.

 

[johnsonrod]

Don't worry, Pratter will oversee this. He also said initially he was against age 65. You can trust him. Sure you can.

 

[PCL_128]

Don't worry, Pratter will oversee this. He also said initially he was against age 65.

No he didn't. He was a blatant supporter of Age 65 from the first day of his campaign.

 

[thor2j]

No he didn't. He was a blatant supporter of Age 65 from the first day of his campaign.

Check your facts, Prater flat out lied and said he would stay out of the issue. Mean while he was working back door deals to have it changed.

 

[Jetjockey]

Facts on Flight Info?!??! Since when?

 

[PCL_128]

Check your facts, Prater flat out lied and said he would stay out of the issue. Mean while he was working back door deals to have it changed.

Your "facts" are incorrect. I was a rep at the time of his campaign and election, and I still have all of his campaign materials. He was quite open from the very beginning about his stance on the issue.

 

[jtf]

If they can't agree to at least stop any further 50+ seat expansion and let all the current 50+ seat contracts expire and be replaced by mainline, then I hope the Continental pilots scuttle the whole thing. Hell, if I were them I also scuttle it if Tilton has any management position above VP of Toilet Cleaning. I honestly wish both pilot groups good luck with whatever becomes of this. The airlines are a rough place to have a career and everyone involved needs as much luck as possible in a merger.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

How smart is a 70K paycheck flying the booger jets?

Get the flying back to mainline... make mainline pay.

I can't see any RJ pilot wanting to continue making crap wage voluntarily.

You "mainline" guys are funny. You vote for the scope, then blame us for no flying. I will make my 85k this year flying my little RJ w/ 15 days off every month. That is more than most mainline F/O's. The way I see it, how can I get a pay raise when I make more and hour than a 190 capt at USAIR ? Maybe if you all set the bar a little higher it would be better all around. My little regional gets full xcld pay and block or better. How bout yours ? Like I said, raise the bar mainliners.

 

[FLYLOW22]

You "mainline" guys are funny. You vote for the scope, then blame us for no flying. I will make my 85k this year flying my little RJ w/ 15 days off every month. That is more than most mainline F/O's. The way I see it, how can I get a pay raise when I make more and hour than a 190 capt at USAIR ? Maybe if you all set the bar a little higher it would be better all around. My little regional gets full xcld pay and block or better. How bout yours ? Like I said, raise the bar mainliners.

I voted for nothing of the sort. I did watch over a thousand good mainline jobs go to RJs and props though in exchange for LOA93. Good one there Don B!! :beer:

You are making 1/2 of what you should by the way. Better pack your backpack for you next trip.

Load your iPod.

 

[thor2j]

You "mainline" guys are funny. You vote for the scope, then blame us for no flying. I will make my 85k this year flying my little RJ w/ 15 days off every month. That is more than most mainline F/O's. The way I see it, how can I get a pay raise when I make more and hour than a 190 capt at USAIR ? Maybe if you all set the bar a little higher it would be better all around. My little regional gets full xcld pay and block or better. How bout yours ? Like I said, raise the bar mainliners.

your 85k is 2-3 year f/o pay so I wouldn't call that most

 

[BUDDHA145]

Stop blaming each other!!! The truth is mainline did realese
the scope, just take it back.....

 

[Mr.B]

You "mainline" guys are funny. You vote for the scope, then blame us for no flying. I will make my 85k this year flying my little RJ w/ 15 days off every month. That is more than most mainline F/O's. The way I see it, how can I get a pay raise when I make more and hour than a 190 capt at USAIR ? Maybe if you all set the bar a little higher it would be better all around. My little regional gets full xcld pay and block or better. How bout yours ? Like I said, raise the bar mainliners.

Check your facts....the 70 seaters at UAL were a result of a backroom deal by the MEC....NO VOTE.

Heres to getting our flying back and leave you to the "booger jet" and your fat check meathead.

 

[SuperFLUF]

not a new company though, it is a merger. I would think contracts have to be honored. Look at NWA/Delta, AA/TWA, America West/US Air. They all keep feed.

And this begs the question (besides name recognition) why they are choosing to have UAL do the acquiring?
Do they think they can force the acquiring airline's scope on the entire merged pilot group?
Do they think that they can realize the benefits of JV style ops while stalling on a new JCBA and thus keep the pilot (and other employee) costs lower longer?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Park those 70 seat MOTHER f U $#%ers!

 

[thor2j]

And this begs the question (besides name recognition) why they are choosing to have UAL do the acquiring?
Do they think they can force the acquiring airline's scope on the entire merged pilot group?
Do they think that they can realize the benefits of JV style ops while stalling on a new JCBA and thus keep the pilot (and other employee) costs lower longer?

They're not, it is name only.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I find it highly ironic that the loudest supporters of "take back scope" seem to be the ones with regional aircraft in their profiles. I guess you got yours so now it's time to slam the door on your brethren. This is EXACTLY why our profession is so f()*ed up.

 

[sleeves]

I find it highly ironic that the loudest supporters of "take back scope" seem to be the ones with regional aircraft in their profiles. I guess you got yours so now it's time to slam the door on your brethren. This is EXACTLY why our profession is so f()*ed up.

Maybe it is because we former regional guys realize how powerful the whipsaw that MGT. wields over the Regional airlines are. We are trying to help you guy by increasing or at least sustaining the flying at the mainline.

My airline does not allow jets over 50 seats to be flown by anyone but our pilots. I am not shutting the door on anyone, you can keep your 50 seaters or join us at the mainline.