Big shout out to Duane and the rest of the folks in Herndon

[rubberlayin]

Just want you to know, Duane... If it wasn't for your efforts the airline industry wouldn't be what it is today. Let's all raise a glass and salute, "1.95% Hoooraaahhh!!!"

 

[stb]

Dont pay your ALPA dues...

until National comes up with some plan; anything.

Sure ALPA is me, you etc. but there should be some type of national pilot voice instead of regional voices.

I watched the news last night and saw the UA Mechanic Union Leader totally lose it at a press conference. One of his replies to a question was,"He!! yes I'm mad, no I'm actually PI$$ED. I dont know what my fellow union members will do in the next few days."

I have yet to see or hear anything from ALPA besides ,"We are upset about the ruling and we will look into this further."

Come on Duane put your hands in your pants and see if you have a pair.

 

[AnimalTale]

Im wondering,

Did Worthless get a paycut or was his pension effected, like all his ALPO companies?

Lets worry about lazers and crew meals, forget the real issues like jobsecurity, pay and workrules/pension.

Cya

 

[JASP-1]

duane was just on CNBC. Rubberlyin you hit the nail on the head. Maybe if he stopped worrying about the Golf And Tennis outtings and the parties down in FLL during the winter he might be able to come up with something better than just going along with a retired UAL Captains email on National TV.

 

[Boeingman]

Nothing will change within ALPA. Those in charge are so far out of touch with reality they haven't a clue as to what the real line pilots are going through.

ALPA officers need to stop hob knobing and playing politics with the Washington elite. They need to realize that they are not white collar executives (although their pay sure reminds them of it) but are leaders of a blue collar labor union. Until they remember their roots and start acting like a true labor union, nothing will change. The situation is disgusting as is their pay (2003 figures):

Amount to ALPA OFFICERS- $1,041,898
Amount to ALPA Employees- $27,736,254
(S) salary (A) allowances

President-D. Woerth $ 412,451 (S) $ 130,000 (A)

1st VP- DOLAN $115,000 (A)

AP Admin- Rice $ 125,200 (A)
VP Finance – Beebe $125,200

Dir Representative $399,866
General Manager $384,175
Dir Representati $377,852
Legal Director, $361,802
Dir Eng and Air $321,586
Dir Communicatio $ 313,382
Asst Dir Represe $280,516
Supervisor Legal $279,938
Dir Government $ 279,900
Asst Dir Represe $276,349
Asst Dir Represe $253,357
Superviosr Legal $ 248,929
Legal Supervisor $248,440
Dir Retirement A $ 241,440
Managing Attorney $230,670
Sr. Contract Admi $225,467
Sr. Contract Admi $ 221,496
Sr. Contract Admin $220,721
Asst Dir E & AS $220,300
Sr. Contract Admi $218,275
Sr. Dir Represt $ 217,826
Dir Economic And $ 209,433
Sr. Attorney, $ 205,736
Manager Economic $203,122
Sr. Contract Admi $202,568
Sr Contract Admi $ 197,628
Sr. Attorney $187,753
Sr. Legislative R $186,160
Sr. Attorney $185,467
Dir, Human Resources $183,813
Manager Informat $175,859
Pension Inv Coor $ 175,265
Enrolled Actuary $ 175,265
Sr Contract Admi $169,963
Sr. Field Represent $ 169,576
Sr. Contract Admi $ 168,834
Manager Systems $167,180
Sr Contract Admi $165,677
Supervisor Colle $159,630
Sr. Benefits Atto $ 156,121
Sr. Attorney $156,041
Sr. Representativ $154,515
Mgr Security & H $153,963
Sr. Contract Admin $151,483
Mgr. Accident Investigation $142,333

ALPA Retirement Plans Contributions $3,891034

ALPA PAC Contributions $ 822,000

Flight Pay LOSS $27,632,094
Travel Expenses Member $12,431,938

As of 12/31/2003 Source : DOL Website

 

[Ben Dover]

until National comes up with some plan; anything.

How could you all have missed this. Better go back and read your May '05 ALPA magazine. You will be happy to find "ALPA Takes a New Flight Path."

Can't believe you all missed something this earth shattering in these difficult times. According to the article (page 24), "In February, ALPA's national officers, general manager, and department directors took a proactive step to reinvigorate the Association's efforts as the champion of ALPA's 64,000 members. They crafted a new approach to the exhaustive list of challenges that ALPA members face today...."

"According to the new approach, it must:
-reassert itself as an aggressive advocate of its members and the airline piloting profession,
-be visible in defending the airline piloting profession,
-provide value through membership,
-maintain a balance in how it operates and how member pilot groups interrelate within the union, and
-focus constantly on planning and coordination."

Hmm, kind of makes you wonder what you were paying for BEFORE this strategic breakthrough.

 

[Jimdandy]

holy schmidt that pay is a bit off base

 

[stb]

My reaction..

Hmm, kind of makes you wonder what you were paying for BEFORE this strategic breakthrough.

I just called and sent ALPA membership an e-mail and went inactive. I told them as soon as ALPA grows a set of ba!!s, I'll be happy to go active again.

 

[On Your Six]

This makes me sick!!! Thank goodness I've gone corporate (I was furloughed so I didn't have much of a choice anyway)...

 

[Networ-King]

If there is EVER a way that you want to get Worthlesses attention this would be it. ...... everyone that agrees that ALPO has mis represented them needs to STOP PAYING THEIR DUES....... I have already had a long dicussion with my so called union reps and told them to pound sand just like they told me, when I got furloughed...... not trying to get into a huge debate and really don't care to post all the crap thats led me to this point, but I refuse to pay ANYBODY to misrepresent me. Its like paying a contractor to build you a house and he still hasn't started on it for 3 and a half years..... and yet we keep paying him.... FU&K that. NO MORE..... our reps are doing their own thing and have their own agenda's so why not just stop paying? Easily done folks... you might have to change your checking account number or just stop writing the checks and that will get their attention. I mean.... they let the scabs at continental back into ALPO, why? Because its ALL about the money. Thats why this would work..... So you can put me on the list of going on bad standing till they actually start doing what they are suppose to do.......oh no.... your name might get put on a "list" oh no god for bid..... then when they need money they'll let you right back in like they did with the scabs.

went to an interview for a flying job and met an early retired Delta captain and he told me that he was making 600 dollars an hour flying the 767-400 when he was green slipping. FU*KING DOUCHE BAG didn't get hired, but just the thought of him doing that while guys were furloughed made him a piece o sh!t. This is the kind of guy that is running ALPO........guys like him that are worried about theirs.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

If there is EVER a way that you want to get Worthlesses attention this would be it. ...... everyone that agrees that ALPO has mis represented them needs to STOP PAYING THEIR DUES.......

I can't speak for other MEC's but my MEC (and pilot group) will not tolerate such an action. Our Dues Check-Off Section provides that we can (and will) have a pilot terminated for failure to pay the required amount. Failing to pay dues is NOT the best way to affect change within ALPA.

-Neal

B. Agency Shop



1. Each pilot covered by this Agreement shall be required, as a condition of employment, beginning 60 days after the completion of his probationary period to (1) be or become a member of the Association, or (2) pay to the Association a monthly service charge for the administration of this Agreement and representation of the pilot. The service charge shall be in an amount equal to the Association’s regular and usual monthly dues and periodic assessments (not including fines and penalties).



2. If any pilot covered by this Agreement becomes delinquent in the required payment of the service charge or assessments, or if any Association member becomes delinquent in the payment of dues or assessments, the Association may immediately notify such pilot by certified mail, return receipt requested, with a copy sent by regular U.S. mail and a copy to the Director of Operations, that the pilot is delinquent in the payment of such service charge or membership dues as specified herein and is subject to discharge as a pilot for the Company. Such letter shall also notify the pilot that the required payment must be remitted within a period of 30 days or the pilot will be discharged.



3. If upon the expiration of the 30 day period the pilot remains delinquent, the Association may certify in writing to the Director of Operations, copy to the pilot, that the pilot has failed to remit payment within the grace period allowed and is to be discharged. The Director of Operations shall thereafter notify the pilot within 10 days of receipt of notice from the Association that he is to be discharged from the service of the Company ten 10 days from the postmark of the Director of Operation’s letter, of the reasons for this action, and of his rights under this section.



4. A pilot who is to be discharged as the result of the provisions of this Section shall be entitled to challenge the validity of such action by filing a request for review. If a pilot submits such a request, termination will be held in abeyance pending that review.



a. The pilot must in writing submit his request for review within 10 days from the date of notification by the Director of Operations as provided in paragraph 3, above. The request must be submitted to the Director of Operations. The Director of Operations, or his designee, will consider the request for review and render a decision in writing with a copy to the Association within a reasonable time not to exceed 10 days following its receipt.



b. The decision of the Director of Operations, or his designee, shall be final and binding on all interested parties unless appealed by either the pilot or the Association within 30 days from the date it was sent. The appeal shall be submitted in writing to a neutral referee who shall be selected by the pilot and the Association, using a random method, from a list supplied by the National Academy of Arbitrators. A copy of the appeal will be sent to the Company. The decision of the neutral referee shall be final and binding on all parties to the dispute. The fees of the neutral referee and all other costs of the proceeding shall be borne equally by the pilot and the Association.



5. During the pendency of an appeal by the pilot, pursuant to paragraph 4.b., above, a pilot shall be in non‑pay status and shall not be permitted to fly.



6. The Company shall not be liable for any claim of loss by any pilot adversely affected by any Company action taken pursuant to a written request by the Association related to the terms of this Section. The Association shall defend the Company in any legal proceedings related to such action, and the Association will indemnify and hold the Company harmless from all costs relating to such legal proceedings, or from any final adverse judgment which results from them.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

I can't speak for other MEC's but my MEC (and pilot group) will not tolerate such an action. Our Dues Check-Off Section provides that we can (and will) have a pilot terminated for failure to pay the required amount. Failing to pay dues is NOT the best way to affect change within ALPA.

-Neal

B. Agency Shop



1. Each pilot covered by this Agreement shall be required, as a condition of employment, beginning 60 days after the completion of his probationary period to (1) be or become a member of the Association, or (2) pay to the Association a monthly service charge for the administration of this Agreement and representation of the pilot. The service charge shall be in an amount equal to the Association’s regular and usual monthly dues and periodic assessments (not including fines and penalties).



2. If any pilot covered by this Agreement becomes delinquent in the required payment of the service charge or assessments, or if any Association member becomes delinquent in the payment of dues or assessments, the Association may immediately notify such pilot by certified mail, return receipt requested, with a copy sent by regular U.S. mail and a copy to the Director of Operations, that the pilot is delinquent in the payment of such service charge or membership dues as specified herein and is subject to discharge as a pilot for the Company. Such letter shall also notify the pilot that the required payment must be remitted within a period of 30 days or the pilot will be discharged.



3. If upon the expiration of the 30 day period the pilot remains delinquent, the Association may certify in writing to the Director of Operations, copy to the pilot, that the pilot has failed to remit payment within the grace period allowed and is to be discharged. The Director of Operations shall thereafter notify the pilot within 10 days of receipt of notice from the Association that he is to be discharged from the service of the Company ten 10 days from the postmark of the Director of Operation’s letter, of the reasons for this action, and of his rights under this section.

This was also my wakeup call from ALPA Inc. Despite being on "dues-checkoff", an error by ALPA resulted in numerous threatening letters about losing my job and other ugly things.
It's all about the money.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

This was also my wakeup call from ALPA Inc. Despite being on "dues-checkoff", an error by ALPA resulted in numerous threatening letters about losing my job and other ugly things.
It's all about the money.

Mistakes are just that - mistakes. They happen in all areas of life. Glad yours got worked out.

While you might construe your experience to mean ALPA is "all about the money," I disagree. There are, in fact, legitimate cases of delinquency and as a member in good standing, I (and 2600 other pilots at my airline) shouldn't have to pay dues while the members in bad standing "free load" and "shirk" and receive the benefits of the Association. Call it draconian but it is unfair to the rest of us when some decide not to pay, especially if it is part of some "protest" against the Association.

-Neal

 

[ironspud]

Mistakes are just that - mistakes. They happen in all areas of life. Glad yours got worked out.

While you might construe your experience to mean ALPA is "all about the money," I disagree. There are, in fact, legitimate cases of delinquency and as a member in good standing, I (and 2600 other pilots at my airline) shouldn't have to pay dues while the members in bad standing "free load" and "shirk" and receive the benefits of the Association. Call it draconian but it is unfair to the rest of us when some decide not to pay, especially if it is part of some "protest" against the Association.

-Neal

Bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. Those people are hero's. You're the stupid lemming.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. Those people are hero's. You're the stupid lemming.

Ah yes...I suppose if you can't attack the argument, you attack the person. Brilliant and mature. At any rate...if you don't like the representation afforded by ALPA, get decert campaign going and vote ALPA off of your property. Go see if the grass is greener my friend. Notice I never said ALPA was perfect. But there are certainly better ways to affect change than refusing to pay dues (which is what funds the day to day operations of your MEC). There is more I could (and want) to say but it will only fall on deaf ears.

-Neal

 

[erjdude]

Mistakes are just that - mistakes. They happen in all areas of life. Glad yours got worked out.

While you might construe your experience to mean ALPA is "all about the money," I disagree. There are, in fact, legitimate cases of delinquency and as a member in good standing, I (and 2600 other pilots at my airline) shouldn't have to pay dues while the members in bad standing "free load" and "shirk" and receive the benefits of the Association. Call it draconian but it is unfair to the rest of us when some decide not to pay, especially if it is part of some "protest" against the Association.

-Neal

Neal,

You did an awsome job getting the pilot group the contract last year including full(and then some) retro!

I just find it a little ironic and even a little houmorous that you are on these boards defending alpa dues. You spent my dues money writting a contract that excluded me and others in my position from getting that same retro check!

 

[CapnVegetto]

Ah yes...I suppose if you can't attack the argument, you attack the person. Brilliant and mature. At any rate...if you don't like the representation afforded by ALPA, get decert campaign going and vote ALPA off of your property. Go see if the grass is greener my friend. Notice I never said ALPA was perfect. But there are certainly better ways to affect change than refusing to pay dues (which is what funds the day to day operations of your MEC). There is more I could (and want) to say but it will only fall on deaf ears.

-Neal

My one year in ALPA told me more than I need to know.....it is a worthless bag of $hit, run by a bunch of senior legacy carrier captains that don't give a flying rat's f--k $hit about anybody but themselves, and their senior legacy carrier captain buddies. Woerthless has definitely earned his nickname. Just look at the profession! Look at the situation! And it's not doing anything but getting worse!! Why the hell is Woerthless not on CNBC telling the world what a bunch of greedy pieces of $hit these management types are!! Probably because he's a greedy piece of $hit. He's collecting his paycheck, getting his pension built up, and doesn't give a rat's a$$ about anything but his golf handicap.

 

[stb]

How ironic...

ALPA has iron clad wording for dues check-off.
Wonder what the contract languagefor the QOL for the ExpressJet pilots?

 

[AZ Typed]

This makes me sick!!! Thank goodness I've gone corporate (I was furloughed so I didn't have much of a choice anyway)...

You Aren't Kidding!