Big News re: DL mainline?

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new rjs

Canadair wanted to get the aircraft off the lot for tax purposes, I guess we will see. I do know that four new hires classes are scheduled for Dec.

 

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Re: cssmith

Was wondering what is behined this statement. What exactly does the new agreement entail and what are the company requirements. Thanks. Tim

PM me with a real e-mail address and I can send you the text of the deal. The section you refer to is as follows

OPERATING MARGIN / DCI % (year 2004)

>10%/ 44%
>5<10% / 44%
0 <5% / 45%
0 < -2% / 45%
-2%, or more / 47%

In 2005 the numbers go up by 1% through break even operating margin and up to 49% if operating margin is -10%. Lets face it, if Delta is losing 10% on every dollar that comes in the door, we need to be getting interviews at Freedom Air, or something....

If these numbers look familiar they pretty much match what the RJDC forecast would have to happen in order for Delta to take delivery of the RJ's on firm order.

What amazes me is the effort ALPA made to keep the apartied members on the plantation.

This will effect connection on routes like DFW / HOU and ATL / CLE because the 35 passenger trips can be better covered by putting the pax in empty CAL and NWA seats. Further, we can codeshare with MESA, Jet Express, Airlink and the rest now. The Delta Connection family just grew by another six players.

Thanks a pant load, ALPA.

 

[wil]

My brother was using a buddy pass on Delta and got bumped off the flight he wanted. The other flights were looking full so he had to buy a walk up ticket at the counter. Southwest from tpa to sna with a stop in bna was 325.00! That is what we are up against! I take no pleasure in ASA growing while Delta mainline shrinks but we need a business model that works and it is time to get lean and mean. The days of million dollar retirements are over. We need to wake up to that fact. God bless and fly safe- Wil

 

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Re: Re: Re: Gen Lee/Super Ed

From D:

The attacks of 9/11 were the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. The camel was already overloaded with a declining economy and then came 9/11. The aftershocks of the attacks, including the oppressive security changes, have added to the decline in air travel.

Look, it's as simple as this. The attacks WERE unprecedented. There is no doubt about that. When the airspace was shut down for 2 days--FM unquestionable existed. Furloughs were justified. 2 months after the attacks were cause to furlough. When the initial arbitration was heard--the people were coming back. To say that people are afraid enough to not fly is just ludicrous. You give away tickets and they flock to the planes. You ever see a gate in New York when they are giving away vouchers. They literally fight to get to the counter first. People in New York would line up to get shot if it was for free. The company's argument, which carries more weight with me than yours, is purely economic. Fallout from 911 or not, it's economic. Furloughs not justified. The arbitrator ruled--so be it. i think there was more to it than what we know--but so be it.

You won't see a ruling which brings everybody back at once. You can't bring people back to jobs which just aren't there.I think that there could very well be a deal struck somewhere which will save face for the company, and bring back the furloughees ASAP.

That ALPA has fought so hard to arm and deputize pilot volunteers, as well as authorize small arms fire within an airborne commercial aircraft, is directly contradictory to your claim that the attacks of 9/11, and subsequent incidents and threats since, have not increased the threat to commercial aviation.

Seems to me that the ASPA has been the ones doing all of the fighting--with an endorsement from ALPA. Not exactly what I would call "fighting so hard". Regardless, I feel as if it's a "day late and a dollar short". The new threats will be of some other form of destruction--not maniacs breaking into the cockpit and flying jets into buildings. Still regardless, I think the "average joe" passenger knows little of this--nor does it affect their decision to fly which is the debate at hand. My testimony is not that the threats have diminished, it is that the people have returned, albeit at lower fares. I blame this more on a depressed economy, and the lack of commissions for travel agents than the events of 911. The airlines did it to themselves. When the banner years return, so will first class and the high yield business pax. The airlines just need to figure out how to make money in the lean years. It's about revenue, not compensation.

The sad part is that the MEC knows full well that the chances of reversing FM are very, very low. Yet they continue to propagandize about the valiant fight that DALPA is mounting in defense of the junior pilots. And then, to add insult to injury, the codeshare TA is a blatant and cowardly effort to again protect and promote the interests of the senior pilots at the expense of the juniors.

see above. It has been said that the numbers show that this TA will actually speed up the recall of furloughees over a lack of code share.

I can’t wait to see the LCC deal. As we all know full well, sh*t rolls downhill.

Well, as predicted, the LCC has been unveiled somewhat. Questions have been answered and the contract stands. The urban legends are put to rest. It ain't all about pilot salaries. It's about the size of aircraft--note the lack of RJ, and about scheduling efficiency, aircraft utilization, ASMs, etc. I completely agree with the concept. Let's just see if they can implement it.

Incidentally, if sh*t trully does run downhill, where does it go after passing past the Delta side of the family and continues its trek downward--with even greater mass at that point?