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yasir1212

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FAA Looks At Big ETOPS Expansion

New Rules Could Spell End For Four-Holers Is the FAA close to settling the ETOPS question? The Wall Street Journal says yes... and the ruling could favor twin-engine commercial aircraft like those now sold by Boeing.

ETOPS officially stands for "extended twin engine operations." The gist of it is... the distance between emergency airfields for planes operating over oceans... deserts... or the North Pole. In 1984, the interval between possible landing points was 60 minutes for any twin-engined jet aircraft with an engine failure; that was doubled to 120 minutes in 1985.

In 1987, it went up to 180 minutes -- allowing for 767 operations across the North Atlantic. That rule was eventually extended to the 777, as well.

Still, those aircraft have to stay within three hours of a suitable airport... which can add miles to long-haul routes -- especially those over the Pacific. Airbus has even turned this into a marketing ploy, by coining the slogan, "4 engines 4 the long haul," in ads for its own -- ahem -- four-engined A340.

That slogan may be soon be out of date. The Journal reports the FAA is close to changing the ETOPS rule once again... allowing 777's to operate an unprecedented five-and-a-half hours between emergency landing sites, and allowing more economical flights for Boeing.

"It's where the real world was headed," said Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia. "This is the next logical step."

That could also spell the end for the Airbus A340 program, which has already been taking hits for being less efficient than its twin-engined competitor from the US.

The FAA's version of ETOPS could be released later this year... and European regulators are now working on similar rules.

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FAA ruling could be a big plus for Boeing

The Boeing Co. could soon score a victory in its battle with Airbus, with a favorable settlement over a key question that many air travelers no longer think about.

The Wall Street Journal reported this week that the Federal Aviation Administration is close to ruling that airliners with two jet engines are just as safe as those with three or four engines. What that will do is greatly ease restrictions that the FAA and other regulators have traditionally placed on twin-engined jets flying over oceans, deserts or the North Pole.

This should be good news for Boeing's 777 program, because it will allow airlines to fly twin-engine jets on more-direct routes over long distances.

"It's where the real world was headed," said Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia. "This is the next logical step."

The rule in question was created in the early days of commercial air traffic, when engine reliability was a real question. The Federal Aviation Administration decreed that all two-engine airplanes carrying passengers must fly routes keeping them within 60 minutes' flying time of the nearest emergency landing field.

The idea, of course, was that if one engine failed, the plane still could limp to safety on the remaining one.

In 1985, the FAA doubled that limit to 120 minutes, creating a new set of rules for ETOPS. Officially that stands for "extended twin-engine operations," but some old-timers still joke that it could be "engines turn or passengers swim."

The new ETOPS rule opened up the North Atlantic to Boeing's 767. For the first time, a fuel-efficient 200-seat plane could fly routes between North America and Europe that had been dominated by much larger, multi-engine jets.

In 1989, the FAA ruled that the 767 could be flown up to 180 minutes away from an emergency field, which meant airlines could fly jets more-directly across the ocean. When the 777 came into service a few years later, it also was eventually granted 180-minute ETOPS status.

Since then, there's been a fair amount of sniping between Boeing and Airbus on the issue.

Airbus' long-range mid-size jet is the A340. It's a four-engine jet, which means it can be flown wherever an airline wants to go. That's been a key selling point for Airbus, which for a while marketed the plane with the slogan, "4 engines 4 the long haul."

On the other hand, Boeing's competing 777s and 767s still have to fly routes that take them within range of emergency landing fields, veering north or south across the Pacific, for example, to come close to Midway Island or Alaska.

At least one airline I can think of - South African Airways, back in 2002 - opted for A340s in large part because of this. The airline flies a lot of over-water routes across the Indian and south Atlantic oceans, and said the A340 was a better fit because it allowed for direct flights.

The regulators have loosened the rules a little since then, extending the maximum ETOPS in some cases to 207 minutes. Boeing, however, has been arguing for more than a decade that twin-engine jets are so safe and reliable that there's no need for separate twin-engine rules at all.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the FAA finally agrees - sort of. The Journal reported Monday that the FAA is likely to extend the limit to 330 minutes - that's 51/2 hours.

Boeing did flight tests showing that 330 minutes is feasible during the certification trials for the 777-300ER in 2003-04. The test pilots simply shut down an engine and flew the test planes on one for five or more hours at a time.

"Whatever point Airbus might have made about the virtues of quad jets has been overtaken by events," Aboulafia said. "There's an unmistakable trend in turbine reliability."

The new rules will allow more airlines to make decisions based on straight economics, he said. That means they'll go for twin-jet 777s, which are more economical to operate than a four-engine plane.

Airbus' four-engine A340 already was being battered by Boeing's more-efficient 777. The pending FAA decision "means the end of whatever sliver of hope the A340 had," Aboulafia said.

The deal is not final, the Journal noted. The latest draft rules have been approved by top agency officials and is under final review by White House officials, the paper said. European regulators are working on companion regulations for ultralong operations, though their draft won't be released until at least late this year.

http://heraldnet.com/stories/06/06/07/100bus_corliss001.cfm
 
If Airbus was smart, they'd change their slogan to, "Thrust Is For Wussies!" and show footage of an A330 gliding onto an island.

The tag line could be, "If the other one stops, we'll still get you there!"
 
Last I checked (maybe a couple years ago) worldwide ETOPS was recognized at 180 minutes.

The exception was ONLY the B-777 with the FAA and United Airlines, when the jet was certified, at 240 minutes. Since then other U.S. airlines may have gotten their 777 at 240 min. as well.

As far as I know, the JAA still only recognizes 180 minutes on ALL twins for ETOPS. A lot of people say they hate the whole twin thing extended range-over water. But there was obvious speculation that the JAA had protective interest in the Airbus manufacturer for political reasons.

I would be interested to hear any corrections to the info I've read or additional info, thanks.

SKYMASTER
 
Hmmmm...

What drives the regulations on ETOPS. The reliability and performance by playing statistics?:rolleyes:

Personally, there should be a concrete limit (3 hrs. is tight) on extended range. It really compromises safety for efficiency. Do we REALLY need that much more efficency built in?
 
yasir1212 said:
FAA Looks At Big ETOPS Expansion

New Rules Could Spell End For Four-Holers

Yeah sure, when the worlds oil reserves are down to their last 200 barrels.:rolleyes:
 
800Dog said:
Never heard that one. Get some new material.

ETOPS= Engines Turn or Packages Swim- There ya go!:laugh:
 

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