BIG announcement at SkyWest

[SkyNation]

If the OO folks vote in ALPA, the OO folks will also vote in the local ALPA reps. If you think the SAPA folks are doing a good job, there is no reason you couldn't vote them in as your ALPA reps.

Would you trust ALPA if the local reps were comprised entirely of the current SAPA reps?

I don't know how many SAPA reps would pursue that. I'm guessing it would be the minority.

I didn't say that they're doing a good job, but would say that they current system we work within gives us better results (total pay, QOL, etc.) than any ALPA regional I see. why would I want to 'downgrade' to that?

this conversation will never end. I wish all ALPA represented guys the best. as for me, I'm happy here.

g'luck

 

[ArcticFlier]

I'll remember that when I'm coordinating SFO or LAX, thanks for making my job harder when all I do all day is making your day easier! F*cking @ssclown!

You do realize that the F/A's aren't allowed to eat in front of pax, right? They have to go inside and eat, or hold off boarding to eat.

I'll put an end to the circus and go get something to eat (all of us) when we feels it's necessary, and the last people we are concerned with is you.


AF

 

[Gr82Aviate]

If the OO folks vote in ALPA, the OO folks will also vote in the local ALPA reps. If you think the SAPA folks are doing a good job, there is no reason you couldn't vote them in as your ALPA reps.

Would you trust ALPA if the local reps were comprised entirely of the current SAPA reps?

The SAPA reps, you gotta be kidding?!!!!

 

[LAMESAUCE]

Falpa.

 

[vikaero]

SOOO glad I went corporate....lol.. wouldnt know what to do with a "bumblebee tuna can, gouda cheese and raisins".... f'ing hilarious

 

[TCBKING]

SOOO glad I went corporate....lol.. wouldnt know what to do with a "bumblebee tuna can, gouda cheese and raisins".... f'ing hilarious

If your soooooo glad you went to corporate because of gouda cheese and raisins.., your not seeing the big picture. Stay with the corporate sector please...

 

[SSDD]

Same SAPA reps to ALPA????? Not only NO, but #$%@NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

["GO AROUND"]

SOOO glad I went corporate....lol.. wouldnt know what to do with a "bumblebee tuna can, gouda cheese and raisins".... f'ing hilarious

Feed it to the gear monkey. LOL

 

[XPOO]

You do realize that the F/A's aren't allowed to eat in front of pax, right? They have to go inside and eat, or hold off boarding to eat.

I'll put an end to the circus and go get something to eat (all of us) when we feels it's necessary, and the last people we are concerned with is you.


AF

In order to clear your thought process, I too worked the line for over three years. You don't have to tell me about the horrors of commercial aviation like I'm someone sitting back in a chair who has no clue what he's talking about. The part of the comment that originally ticked me off is that the Capt would have no problem "strolling" into the terminal to sit down for "1 hour" and have a dinner with his crew. While I am not asking that the flight crew "run" into the terminal, I think they could briskly go inside. And while I am sure it would be nice to be a banker and have a whole hour to eat lunch, none of us are bankers. So, to intentionally disservice the passengers to have a whole hour for lunch is totally ridiculous. When I worked the line, I really got used to putting in an 18 hour day and snacking on this or that to tide me over when I could. But I guess the next time flow is going on in SFO or LAX I'll just "stroll" away from my computer and go have a nice "1 hour" lunch with my fellow dispatchers and you can just wait until we are done to get your releases and weather and swaps and logs and loads and.....

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I would NEVER delay a flight for an hour to "sit down and have a relaxing meal with my crew." There's time on a turn for one pilot to run off and grab something for the crew.

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but just get through the day trying to make up for any delays you've had - not trying to create more. Think about what you're doing to your passengers and the crew taking your jet from you an extra hour late because you wanted a relaxing meal. Bust a$$ and have a nice meal with your crew at the hotel that evening.

Gup

Different kinds of flying. If you're doing a 1.5 or 2 hour flight the FA can take a break and eat something. If the crew is doing 5, 7, or 8 legs of short duration that are all quick turns your suggestion is neither safe or practical. Keep in mind that on aircraft of 50 seats or less there is only one FA. You've got to look after the crew.

Airline management creates their own problems by letting a bunch of people behind desks with no common sense come up with implausible ideas. An example is trying to operate a major hub on a schedule that could only happen if the wx is perfect, no aircraft have MX issues, and there are no delays anywhere else in the system. If they cared about keeping things running on time maybe they'd make sure they had the required resources to get the job done right. For example there would be an adequate number of gates so aircraft wouldn't be stuck waiting for inordinate periods of time. If management was really smart they'd study the ripple effects far more closely. If a gate is tied up for an extra 45 minutes how many customers and employees are effected? How much does it cost to reaccomodate pax and lose customer goodwill? How many flights will run late as a result? The bulk of delays are due to totally unrealistic planning not crews taking a much needed break. Airline management needs to take input from people that actually do the day to day work. That's one of the reasons WN is successful. They listen to their employees.

The above comments are solely personal opinion and apply to the industry as a whole, not a specific carrier or managment team.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I have talked to quite a few SKYW pilots that this has happened to. Seems someone at SKYW sent ALPA a lot of names and addresses WITHOUT the individuals consent. Does this suprise anyone? Not me.

Or perhaps the FAA is to blame for maintaining a public database.

 

[atrdriver]

In order to clear your thought process, I too worked the line for over three years. You don't have to tell me about the horrors of commercial aviation like I'm someone sitting back in a chair who has no clue what he's talking about. The part of the comment that originally ticked me off is that the Capt would have no problem "strolling" into the terminal to sit down for "1 hour" and have a dinner with his crew. While I am not asking that the flight crew "run" into the terminal, I think they could briskly go inside. And while I am sure it would be nice to be a banker and have a whole hour to eat lunch, none of us are bankers. So, to intentionally disservice the passengers to have a whole hour for lunch is totally ridiculous. When I worked the line, I really got used to putting in an 18 hour day and snacking on this or that to tide me over when I could. But I guess the next time flow is going on in SFO or LAX I'll just "stroll" away from my computer and go have a nice "1 hour" lunch with my fellow dispatchers and you can just waI will it until we are done to get your releases and weather and swaps and logs and loads and.....

I will not ask my crew to fly hungry, period. Especially when the company schedules us for a 14 hour duty day with no more than 1 45 minute break. That is their short sightedness, not mine. It is not safe to fly when you are so hungry you are shaking, and peanuts just don't do it for me anymore. I will delay the flight as little time as possible, but I will make sure that my crew is fed properly. And telling me you're going to make me wait on a release isn't much of a threat, we already do that here. If you makeme wait on a radar update when I'm heading for a line of storms it will result in a write up, and quite possibly a diversion. And if I divert because I couldn't contact my dispatcher and I questioned the safety of the flight, who do you think the feds are coming after?

 

[rtmcfi]

I don't know how many SAPA reps would pursue that. I'm guessing it would be the minority.

I didn't say that they're doing a good job, but would say that they current system we work within gives us better results (total pay, QOL, etc.) than any ALPA regional I see. why would I want to 'downgrade' to that?

this conversation will never end. I wish all ALPA represented guys the best. as for me, I'm happy here.

g'luck

If OO were to go ALPA, and the SAPA team in it's entirety were to be elected to local positions, would that sour the relations with SGU? (no, I am not advocating that.) I can understand a reluctance to part with 2% of your check. I am having a difficult time understanding why a union would automatically mean worse total pay, QOL etc. You do trust that SGU would bargain as fairly with ALPA reps as they do with SAPA reps, right?

Good luck to the OO guys as well, whatever path they choose. I hope they realize that they don't exist in a vacuum. (And I am not directing that at anyone in particular, or trying to pick a fight.)

 

[CFIT]

If OO were to go ALPA, and the SAPA team in it's entirety were to be elected to local positions, would that sour the relations with SGU? (no, I am not advocating that.) I can understand a reluctance to part with 2% of your check. I am having a difficult time understanding why a union would automatically mean worse total pay, QOL etc. You do trust that SGU would bargain as fairly with ALPA reps as they do with SAPA reps, right?

Good luck to the OO guys as well, whatever path they choose. I hope they realize that they don't exist in a vacuum. (And I am not directing that at anyone in particular, or trying to pick a fight.)

What I was told directly from the very top is that if ALPA has been voted in that they could easily drag 5 years to come up the first contract. During the interim the current set of work rules are legally in effect, that could be hell on earth during that time. I was also told that every aspect of compensation would be up for negotiation, naturally, and that there is no reason to expect that we could have anything that we have today. Everything could be re-negotiated we could lose vacation for some higher pay, or have less callout time for more days off. Don't simply believe that ALPA is going to come in and build or improve what we have, this would be seen by managemnt as an opportunity to start out with consessions.

 

[ArcticFlier]

In order to clear your thought process, I too worked the line for over three years. You don't have to tell me about the horrors of commercial aviation like I'm someone sitting back in a chair who has no clue what he's talking about. The part of the comment that originally ticked me off is that the Capt would have no problem "strolling" into the terminal to sit down for "1 hour" and have a dinner with his crew. While I am not asking that the flight crew "run" into the terminal, I think they could briskly go inside. And while I am sure it would be nice to be a banker and have a whole hour to eat lunch, none of us are bankers. So, to intentionally disservice the passengers to have a whole hour for lunch is totally ridiculous. When I worked the line, I really got used to putting in an 18 hour day and snacking on this or that to tide me over when I could. But I guess the next time flow is going on in SFO or LAX I'll just "stroll" away from my computer and go have a nice "1 hour" lunch with my fellow dispatchers and you can just wait until we are done to get your releases and weather and swaps and logs and loads and.....

Well, you came off as if you had no clue, whatsoever, and that it was all about you.

I'll remember that when I'm coordinating SFO or LAX, thanks for making my job harder when all I do all day is making your day easier! F*cking @ssclown!

A whole lotta "I", and "me" in that quote. Get over yourself........


Stroll......walk briskly.........whatever. It's semantics. An hour for lunch? Probably not. But if you eat at certain places in SFO (Lori's Diner) when it's busy, it's going to take every bit of 15 minutes, just to get your food after it's ordered . Figure in several minutes to clean the plane, belts etc, get to the place to eat, order, eat, get back.................it takes awhile.


Have a nice day.....................uke:



AF

 

[XPOO]

Hey, I'm over myself. I just thought sense we were all talking about purposely delaying flights past an "acceptable" amount of time just to stick it to the man that I would ad my own in there, too. Since it's not about team work or anything.

And if you forgot, go back and check, but that is what I was originally replying to when I called the guy an @ss clown.

 

[rtmcfi]

What I was told directly from the very top is that if ALPA has been voted in that they could easily drag 5 years to come up the first contract. During the interim the current set of work rules are legally in effect, that could be hell on earth during that time. I was also told that every aspect of compensation would be up for negotiation, naturally, and that there is no reason to expect that we could have anything that we have today. Everything could be re-negotiated we could lose vacation for some higher pay, or have less callout time for more days off. Don't simply believe that ALPA is going to come in and build or improve what we have, this would be seen by managemnt as an opportunity to start out with consessions.

What is to prevent management from starting out with concessions right now? If your answer is because SGU wants good relations with pilots, why would legal representation change that desire?

Don't you find it a bit disingenuous that SGU will treat non-union pilots fairly, but if those same pilots doing the same jobs join a union, all bets are off? If SGU truly sees the benefit in a good relationship with its pilots, wouldn't those benefits hold true regardless of those pilots representation? Do you folks really think your mgmt is that vindictive? If you answer yes, you all may need a union worse than I thought!

Anyhow, I guess I have helped sidetrack this thread as much as anyone. I think those explus snacks are alright. They should send them out to all the domiciles. Kudos to SkyWest management for a pretty good idea to try to stay on time. I realize this won't (and shouldn't) stop crews with a 10 or 12 hour duty day and no breaks from taking a crew meal delay. However, this may be just the thing to help keep those days that are right on the edge of needing a break on schedule.

 

[XPOO]

So, basically, that old motto "If it aint broke, don't fix it" doesn't apply to airlines when it comes to unions huh? whatever....

 

[indianboy7]

I had one of them snack boxes yesterday...not bad.....although the hummus dip made for some pretty interesting aroma in the cockpit after a couple hours.......imp:

 

[720persecond]

HA HA HA! My sentiments exactly!

Monika, give all of us a break, and save it for your fiancee

 

[Peter Griffin]

How is it that a thread about crewmeals turned into a beotchfest about unions? This seems to happen with just about every SKYW thread.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

How is it that a thread about crewmeals turned into a beotchfest about unions? This seems to happen with just about every SKYW thread.

Funny thing, I was reading a thread about DAL receiving some 757s...and all of the sudden, a AA/TWA donnybrook broke out. Strange.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Truly a west coast snack...nice.

That's exactly what I was thinking! You know, the land of fruits and nuts...

Here in The South (and yes, it IS capitalized), you'd get beef jerky, a moon pie, a Mountain Dew and a tin of 'Cope.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I live in Newnan just 20 minutes from ATL and commute out of ATL every week (usually on an ASA 50-seater, btw), so I'm plenty familiar with the dining selection. There's plenty of decent meals to be had. You know, unless you like that hippy stuff like "organic crackers" and "garden hummus." You certainly won't find any of that crap down here.

Actually, Joe Merchant really did grow up in California. Yes, he likes that hippy crap.

 

[PCL_128]

Actually, Joe Merchant really did grow up in California. Yes, he likes that hippy crap.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[AV8700]

That's exactly what I was thinking! You know, the land of fruits and nuts...

Here in The South (and yes, it IS capitalized), you'd get beef jerky, a moon pie, a Mountain Dew and a tin of 'Cope.

a tin of cope!!! I'm in, that would be a pay raise right there.