Best way to the Corporate? Advise needed

[Gulfstream 200]

All very true Leardawg.

OK, floorsweeping and old school jackoffs aside, here is an opinion on job searching:

Avcrew.com - I got a job there 4 or 5 years ago. A decent, 6 figure job. I just saw the ad and emailed a resume/cover letter. I was local and qualified. When I left that job for greener pastures I passed it along (interview at least) to someone here on FI.com - he got the job.

As far as paying for any other services -- no way. they advertise junk, repeat free ads constantly, and 90% of thier ads are for overseas junk work..no thanks. Keep in mind 99% of decent jobs are not had my blind resumes, they are through contacts. Many also post the web based ads here online, no need to pay for that garbage.

As far as networking...it just takes time I suppose. Right here (and that other site...CAAM) are great starts. Recurrent training is also a great opportunity. Now, I wouldnt show up in class with a stack of resumes, but chatting over a few beers at the hotel often leads to better jobs.

Dont underestimate these sites for contacts. I know I am always happy to pass along any leads, advice I know in PMs etc...I have met some cool guys here, we talk often and pass along all the job leads that are going on in our area (NY metro). Im happy to help a guy out and would think they would do the same someday......

(even if I am a complete jackass)


good luck to ya!

 

[viperman]

Do you have the website address for CAAM? If this forum is a good place to start networking - well, here goes - if anyone can lead me in the right direction, I'm all ears!

As you can briefly see from my background, mostly all military fighter time. Was with United as a 727 F/O for a little over 2 years which ended when I had to take an extended time period off to care for 2 terminally ill family members.

When I left the USAF, alwasy wanted to fly corporate - decent pay and working with a close nit group of a couple of pilots - a lot to be said for that in alone! In order to try to stay flying, was forced to go the 135 route - can't say I have had a positive experience there and I'm sure I'm not alone.

The one thing I am running into as a snag from what I can determine is the part 91 positions I have seen offered require a type - which I don't have the immediate funds just to run out and get one.

All I'm looking for is someone who offers a decent paying flying job in a close working environment where I can work the rest of my career (not to build hours and go somewhere else) With over 3600 hours of high performance jet experience, I haven't been able to quite figure out why this doesn't seem to be of value to most corporate flight departments (at least that's been my perception)

Open to all advice / insight!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Do you have the website address for CAAM? If this forum is a good place to start networking - well, here goes - if anyone can lead me in the right direction, I'm all ears!

As you can briefly see from my background, mostly all military fighter time. Was with United as a 727 F/O for a little over 2 years which ended when I had to take an extended time period off to care for 2 terminally ill family members.

When I left the USAF, alwasy wanted to fly corporate - decent pay and working with a close nit group of a couple of pilots - a lot to be said for that in alone! In order to try to stay flying, was forced to go the 135 route - can't say I have had a positive experience there and I'm sure I'm not alone.

The one thing I am running into as a snag from what I can determine is the part 91 positions I have seen offered require a type - which I don't have the immediate funds just to run out and get one.

All I'm looking for is someone who offers a decent paying flying job in a close working environment where I can work the rest of my career (not to build hours and go somewhere else) With over 3600 hours of high performance jet experience, I haven't been able to quite figure out why this doesn't seem to be of value to most corporate flight departments (at least that's been my perception)

Open to all advice / insight!

Nope you are not alone -- 135 sucks....but it might be a start to get you into the better 91 jobs. It was for me and many I know.

require a type? many really dont...but you gotta understand there are lots of guys looking to go that Pt91 corp route since the airlines officially suck for life now. There is just probably many resumes on top of yours that already have types and more crew corporate experience. You cant blame employers for hitting those resumes first. Dont consider buying any types...a type w/o time in aircraft is 100% useless.

Dont think departments wont value your fighter time, just dont emphasize it...some still view it as single pilot time and want to see some more crew corp time. Not sure if I agree with this these days, most fighter guys I have flown with have NO CRM problems (just mental ones...haha)

What area are you looking in? please dont say Bumfuk, Kansas and you dont want to move. Corporate jobs are not plentiful outside the major metro areas.

that other websites name has been banned here, but here's a try...the 2 had been fueding but seem to have kissed and made up..which is to our benefit - they are both good resources...www.clear-and-a-million.com

 

[viperman]

That helps a lot - I'm not looking for bum..., Kansas and I am definitely willing to relocate.

My first choice of relocation areas (if I had one) would be Western. (I'm a huge outdoorsman) So, with that in mind, I'd start with Missoula, Helena, MT; Salt Lake City, Ogden, UT; Denver,CO; Boise, ID; Portland, OR; Seattle, Spokane; WA: Northern California (or San Diego). Places that lend themselves to great scenery and outdoor recreational opportunities.

Not a real big fan of the Southeast and a little too congested living wise in the Northeast for me (with possible exception of upstate NY)

Hope that builds the right picture in your mind - not saying I'm not open to elsewhere - but if I had the choice......

Now, the big question - resources for networking for opportunities in these areas? Again, I AM ALL EARS! and thanks again for your last post!!!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I agree those are all beautiful places....but how many corp aircraft are based there?

I know guys from Denver and Salt Lake looking for work in NY.....

In general, companies hire locals. A resume from across the country from an unknown usually goes in the trash.

just a thought!

 

[AA717driver]

All very true Leardawg.

OK, floorsweeping and old school jackoffs aside, here is an opinion on job searching:

Avcrew.com - I got a job there 4 or 5 years ago. A decent, 6 figure job. I just saw the ad and emailed a resume/cover letter. I was local and qualified. When I left that job for greener pastures I passed it along (interview at least) to someone here on FI.com - he got the job.

As far as paying for any other services -- no way. they advertise junk, repeat free ads constantly, and 90% of thier ads are for overseas junk work..no thanks. Keep in mind 99% of decent jobs are not had my blind resumes, they are through contacts. Many also post the web based ads here online, no need to pay for that garbage.

As far as networking...it just takes time I suppose. Right here (and that other site...CAAM) are great starts. Recurrent training is also a great opportunity. Now, I wouldnt show up in class with a stack of resumes, but chatting over a few beers at the hotel often leads to better jobs.

Dont underestimate these sites for contacts. I know I am always happy to pass along any leads, advice I know in PMs etc...I have met some cool guys here, we talk often and pass along all the job leads that are going on in our area (NY metro). Im happy to help a guy out and would think they would do the same someday......

(even if I am a complete jackass)


good luck to ya!

That pretty much covers it. TC

 

[MissKittyKat]

thanks to so many who post on this sight, and helping the guy who wanted advice. Please don't try to correct me on spelling issues, I can find quite a bunch here, I so speak 3 languages! So that ends your inquiry.

There is nothing like being picked on " your screenname" at 5 feet tall, and a female, and a mother of one son, I say go for for it! I do have some really good tips, and I have taken the liberty to network on some jobs in Florida.

does anyone out there need a corporate Fa? please pm me

 

[Christopher3331]

Thanks to everyone who has replied! I am not rushing into anything. But want to get into it in the next few months. (very excited!) I am getting my capt. lic. for yachts and will be done in the next 10 days. I had all the qualifications and wanted to get it a as a back up plan. (it was only a 2 week course)

From what I have picked up so far it seems that a "mom and pop" operation may be the way to go and take if from there. I am 85% convienced of it.

One last question on this thread. I have a chance to work on a line at a avaition service at FLL. Pay will be low of course, is it worth it?

 

[MissKittyKat]

yes, Chris, do what you want to do and most importantly your passion!
Go for it!

 

[MissKittyKat]

will you be working for National Jets? then go for it!

 

[Christopher3331]

Is Nationals the same a regional? (obiviously still getting the lingo down)
I'm looking at the corp. end. But still open to ideas.

I'm moving from yachting to avaition now and looking for the best way...
I've been around enought to know that you can get paid a stupid amount of money in a career but if your not enjoying it you'll quit! with or without a good excuse. Basically if your not having fun you shouldn't be doing it!

 

[MissKittyKat]

Christopher3331, you are such a bright gentleman, by asking questions and making the move! National Jets is a charter/air ambulance company out of FLL, they move their line guys sometimes into the aircraft, they have Learjets.

Check it out on the web, and congradulations on your Yacht stuff too!

Don't worry about the money aspect when starting out, you can compensate income many ways! Good Luck to you Christopher3331!

 

[MissKittyKat]

You may also want to attend at some point, in your career an NBAA workshop or annual meeting, a great way to network.

 

[stache]

Start by learning to spell....

 

[Christopher3331]

Someone is not having a good day and and seems to have some misplaced aggression...