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There is really no such thing as "THE BEST AIRPLANE" at any given price or price range. Every airplane is, at best, a group of compromises - let's face it, $3 to $4 million will buy you a lot of different airplanes from executive configured ex-airline B707's, B737's, and 727's to brand new CJs and 1001 different makes and models in between. The trick is to find the airplane that most closely matches your needs, wants, and most importantly, your budgets - purchase and operational. If you've got 40 people to move around buy a Boeing. If you've got 6 people and you don't have to fly very far then get a Citation. However, the effeciency of a Citation comes at a price - if you're going to fly more than a handful of coast to coast trips a year in any of the CJs or straight winged Citations in his stated price range, the boss isn't going to be very happy. 100 knots on the nose takes a real toll on those airplanes on the west-bound legs.

The whole idea is to find the airplane with the least number of compromises for your given mission, operational, and budgetary constraints. Knowing that there's an airplane out there that will fit your mission and operational profiles perfectly is nice to know, but totally meaningless if your budget limit is $4 million and the airplane in question costs $4.1 million. How many of you guys know guys who lost their jobs because the boss over bought? It's happened to me and I know that it's happened to plenty of others. As a group, we have a tendency to try and steer our employers into getting what we want to personally be flying. If you're flying a single there's a big tendancy to, regardless of the merits, recommend a twin. If you're operating a twin, you're probably going to be real tempted to recommend a turbo-prop. A turbo-prop, then a jet...

Sometimes, if you are honest with yourself, the proper airplane might be something "less" than what you are currently operating. Funny thing though, I've never heard of anyone making that recomendation.

What he really needs to do is to make an honest evaluation of his employer's needs, then take a hard and subjective look at what's available in the marketplace at fits within your budgetary constraints. In our case, the boss wanted one more seat. We could have got it, but doing so would have either cost at least $5 million more, or essentially doubled our direct operating costs, or forced us to relocate to a different airport with a longer runway. Granted our airplane is a compromise, but it works for us and most important - the boss is comfortable with it.

LS
 
king air 300...more weight, more speed, and the ability to operate below 12.5 for those less than stellar field lengths :)
 
lr31A
 
What ever you end up buying, make sure that the boss believes it was his/her's idea.
 
my last company had a similar mission and figured the BE400A would be the best fit. reasonable cabin size for the price although 6 could get a bit tight and you will be leaving behind lots of fuel. Not sure of its mountain airport performance. you can get low RK100s (mid-late 90s) for the 3-4 mil range.
 
my last company had a similar mission and figured the BE400A would be the best fit. reasonable cabin size for the price although 6 could get a bit tight and you will be leaving behind lots of fuel. Not sure of its mountain airport performance. you can get low RK100s (mid-late 90s) for the 3-4 mil range.


Holy cow!! We only paid 4.0 for or mid 300 RK 4 months ago. We can take 6 200 pounders with 4300 lbs of fuel, of course we have a 16.3 plane also.
 
I appreciate all of the good info. We are looking to keep it a single pilot operation, but hiring another pilot is not out of the question. Most trips are under 1000 nm. And the shortest runway that we fly to is around 4800'.
 
I think, and there are more that know more around here, that you'll find that it's important to figure how many trips you're talking about that are between the 500-1000 mile range. Up to about 5 or 600 miles I think the king-air and citation would be fine, beyond that you're talking real jet. 1000 miles isn't a short leg. Less than 1000 miles but greater than 500--how many of those we talking about? And just about anything can handle 4800 feet(depending on field elevation)
 
I think, and there are more that know more around here, that you'll find that it's important to figure how many trips you're talking about that are between the 500-1000 mile range. Up to about 5 or 600 miles I think the king-air and citation would be fine, beyond that you're talking real jet. 1000 miles isn't a short leg. Less than 1000 miles but greater than 500--how many of those we talking about? And just about anything can handle 4800 feet(depending on field elevation)

In a month of flying about 30-40 hours average our trips have been something like this:

500-1000-10hrs
500-600 -15 hrs
Less than 500-15 hrs
 
I appreciate all of the good info. We are looking to keep it a single pilot operation, but hiring another pilot is not out of the question. Most trips are under 1000 nm. And the shortest runway that we fly to is around 4800'.

PC-12 if you don't mind the single thing, cheaper operating than a ka 200, same pax load and only 10 knots slower. LOTS of range.

Citation Bravo can be had for the range you are talking (97 to 00 or so) 395 kts, single pilot (with waiver), better fuel burn than the older 550's, can easily do the 4800' strip you need (can do 3700 or so if you watch the weight), Ifr range is 1200 to 1500 with reserves, 1900 nm to flame out. Not as spacious as a KA but a lot faster.
 
A Falcon 20 or 10 with the TFE-731 Retrofit with the Bendix EFIS/Auto-pilot . You can smoke a CJ2 and a 350. You will be at FL410 going 450 knot True.

You have obviously spent a great deal of time in the Falcon 10 ...:erm: :rolleyes:
 
A Falcon 20 or 10 with the TFE-731 Retrofit with the Bendix EFIS/Auto-pilot . You can smoke a CJ2 and a 350. You will be at FL410 going 450 knot True.

You have obviously spent a great deal of time in the Falcon 10 ...:erm: :rolleyes:


Best bang for your buck. But what do I know, you sound like a smart A$$. So you tell me.

You are right I am a smart a$$ ... but the Falcon 10 has always had TFE-731's ... ;)
 
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