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[bart]

Three questions...

Are these guys for real?

Anybody know Captain Doc Buchanan?

When will this crap end?

November 25, 2002
FLORIDA COASTAL AIRLINES (First Officer Program)
3000 Curtis King Blvd., Ft Pierce, FL 34946
Tel: (772) 468-2255
Fax: (772) 4682209
Email: Resumes accepted by EZ-Apply
Web Site: http://flyfca.com
FCA has been operating a successful Cessna 402 charter operation (mostly to The Bahamas) for several years. We plan to commence operation of our scheduled commuter service on December 20, 2002. Your flying here at FCA will include both operations. We are training in an airline environment to airline standards. This training will assuredly make you a more attractive applicant for any future position as captain with us or any other commuter or regional airline. Your training will include ground school, flight training, an FAA check ride and line time on passenger operations. * Cost for training is as follows: · $500.00 for ground school (5-8 days planned) · $325.00 (our cost) per hour for flight training. The operations manual dictates 6 hours plus the FAA check ride. · $39.00 per hour paid in advance for the first block of 100 hours = $3,900 Thereafter, the cost will be lowered to $29 per hour for any additional 100-hour blocks of time that you might wish to acquire. As you can see, after the training, you will be getting multi-engine airline experience flight time for only $39 and as low as $29 per hour! Note: Other miscellaneous costs are the background check and drug/alcohol test. Applicant must have a Commercial Instrument Multi Engine Rating. Begin your airline career now! To secure your position in our next class December 2nd, call me immediately on 772-468-2255 and be prepared to send your deposit of $500, which will be used for your ground school training. Welcome Aboard! Capt. Doc Buchanan

 

[fxbat]

November 25, 2002
FLORIDA COASTAL AIRLINES (First Officer Program)
3000 Curtis King Blvd., Ft Pierce, FL 34946
Tel: (772) 468-2255
Fax: (772) 4682209
Email: Resumes accepted by EZ-Apply
Web Site: http://flyfca.com
FCA has been operating a successful Cessna 402 charter operation (mostly to The Bahamas) for several years. We plan to commence operation of our scheduled commuter service on December 20, 2002. Your flying here at FCA will include both operations. We are training in an airline environment to airline standards. This training will assuredly make you a more attractive applicant for any future position as captain with us or any other commuter or regional airline. Your training will include ground school, flight training, an FAA check ride and line time on passenger operations. * Cost for training is as follows: · $500.00 for ground school (5-8 days planned) · $325.00 (our cost) per hour for flight training. The operations manual dictates 6 hours plus the FAA check ride. · $39.00 per hour paid in advance for the first block of 100 hours = $3,900 Thereafter, the cost will be lowered to $29 per hour for any additional 100-hour blocks of time that you might wish to acquire. As you can see, after the training, you will be getting multi-engine airline experience flight time for only $39 and as low as $29 per hour! Note: Other miscellaneous costs are the background check and drug/alcohol test. Applicant must have a Commercial Instrument Multi Engine Rating. Begin your airline career now! To secure your position in our next class December 2nd, call me immediately on 772-468-2255 and be prepared to send your deposit of $500, which will be used for your ground school training. Welcome Aboard! Capt. Doc Buchanan


This makes me sick..I plan to tell every potential customer what a sham your company is. I can only hope this is a mistake, please let me know if it is because if it is not your customers deserve to know who is responsible for there safety. I believe your competitors would enjoy this as well, buy a job flying people around "As you can see, after the training, you will be getting multi-engine airline experience flight time for only $39 and as low as $29 per hour! " As a member in good standing with ALPA if one of your "first officers" is ever in front of me in an interview I will personally show them the door out...

(sent this tonight.... but i dont think they care)

 

[chrisdahut24]

At least Gulfstream sells turbine time! I can't belive we now have pay for job at a 135 operation flying 402s!! What next, big academies asking their flight instructors to pay for a "flight instructor transition course" after getting the CFI, and then paying for the privelege to instruct??!!
These practices should be outlawed once and for all.

 

[bobbysamd]

You-know-what

We all know what this is . . . . . . . need I say more?

Best antidote to P-F-T is (1) education of the masses and (2) don't do it.

I like chrisdahut24's quip that at least Gulfstream "sells" turbine time.

 

[350DRIVER]

One word would best sum it all up - J O K E ( . )



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[chrisdahut24]

Re: You-know-what

[Best antidote to P-F-T is (1) education of the masses and (2) don't do it.

I agree. Unfortunetly along with the dream of good paying CFI jobs, it'll never happen. Too many people out there who I don't think really want to be educated and are willing to cheapen the profession to get ahead of other pilots paying their dues.
What I'd like to see is these PFT pilots being shown the door when it comes to light in an airline interview how they actually attained their 135 or 121 "experience". Although 99.9% of pilots on this message board are extrememly anti PFT and Gulftstream style pay for job, this doesn't seem to be the case with pilots conducting interviews. To me it seems that a good number of these PFTers are still getting jobs not far down the road!

 

[mrvmo]

F&#K PFT AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can find a job without giving up your soul!!!!!!

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

but someone's still gonna do it...and their interviewing captain may not be an ALPA fanatic...and that person gets the job...and there are still countless pilots that don't visit this site and have no clues

 

[Flywrite]

Hey guys, heres an idea...

Instead of constantly complaining about these operations and how they should be outlawed and how we will all quickly show any of these pilots the door if we ever run across them, why not actually do something; write your congressman.

Formulate an intelligent, well thought out letter, without ranting about cheapening the profession or "scabs" or any of the other emotional stuff that comes out on here.
Just state legitimate concerns about the safety of the travelling public. Explain to your legislator the screening process for professional pilots and the training we go through. Then state your legitimate concerns about operator's receiving financial gain from their trainees. After all, how selelctive is Captain Doc or whatever the heck his name is if he is getting each "crewmember" to fork over thousands of $$?
Also point out that these operators may be fraudulently representing the future prospects for their victims. Let your congressman know that you think this kind of operation deserves EXTEREME FAA supervison at the very least. Bring up concerns about the quality of maintenance at an "Airline" that can't even afford to pay it's flight crews.

Keep it to the point, stating facts and legitimate concerns relating to the safety of the flying public. Keep our crazy internal politics out of it. Include printouts of as many of these "job opportunities" as you can find.

Now, get off here and go write letters!!

 

[jdru25]

I thought I had gotten my license to get paid to fly?

This is a bunch of crap and I'm really gettin sick of these sketchy Florida operators. They are too too cheap. It's a shame.

That's my two cents worth.

 

[jdru25]

Everybody make of note of this company's name and remember it if you are on an interview board someday.

 

[aviatrix]

Here here!

I second that sentiment from jdru25! This is so scary and makes me sick to my stomach! Pay for your own drug test even?
I'm just so glad I work for a reputable 135 operation! It may be single-engine for the time-being, but at least I can look myself in the mirror every day!

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

PFT

My take on this is, if you got the money and the time, why not PFT, it sure beats flight instructing full time. I didnt have the money nor did I want to CFI so I joined the Army to fly. PFT in my opinion not bad if you have the money and dont want to CFI.

 

[Wolf King]

Off the subject...

BJJ do you still train? I was pretty serious (obsessed) with MMA until about a year ago, keep conditioned but haven't grappled since... working for a major, think a career is not worth risking with an injury (have broken a hand, teeth before). I would like to continue, hope loss of license will cover me if I do!

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Yes

I still train all the time. I started back about 7 months ago after taking almost a year off. I didnt take a year off by choice, I was working as a full time CFi and didnt have time to train. Only thing I was doing then was getting to the gym about 3 times a week if I was lucky. Thats why I hated being a CFI, long hours for a $250/per week pay check, thats why if you can afford it I have zero problems with PFT, at least it gives you the time to have a life.

I wrestled D I in college so I was use to training 4 to 6 hours a day, which is how I like to train. Now Im going in the military and I dont have a job so Im back to training 2 times per day. In the moring I go lift weights at the gym, mostly explosive olympic movements, then I run 2 to 3 miles on the road keeping a 7 minute per mile pace. I coach wrestling at a local high school, I do that from 4-7 Mon-Fri. I then head to BJJ and do that 8-9:30 just Tuesday and Thursday.

Im feeling the best Ive felt in 2 plus years now with all the trainig Ive been doing, its so worth it if you can find the time. Im just waiting for a May 03 ship out date for OCS.

I wrestled at an open tournament about 3 weeks ago 2 weight classes above my usual wgt class and quickly regained my old form by slinging some fool around the mat and launching him with a picture perfect throw to a pin. If your in the ATL area you can come out and learn to wrestle as well, we have open mat for any experience level Sun, Mon, and Weds. We can always use another body to throw around.

Where and who did you train with and for how long. I have been training BJJ since about 1997, but I have been wrestling all my life pretty much. I started in grade school and have never stopped. Theres still no feeling in the world that equals getting you had raised after you went to war with a guy on the mat and won, not even sex.

 

[Birdstrike]

Flywrite's idea isn't bad...except that a Congressional staffer can't get the PFT issue into a soundbite and will likely blow it off. Until PFT is shown to be patently illegal or statistically unsafe it remains and becomes an educational issue. I was pro-PFT in the mid 90's--until I kept reading the boards and was "edukated" by all the pundits (the old Pro Pilot board). Same way I used to be a Democrat but now vote Republican. Some ideas sound good on the surface (like any quick fix) to someone relatively new to the field and frustrated by their lack of progress...until the ramifications are all spelled out. Just have to keep educating pilots one at a time, I guess. Doubt it will ever go away. It's the golden rule of capitalism in this country...he who has the gold rules.

 

[Checks]

BJJ,

Dont you see the correlation between PFT and your low pay as a CFI? Since you dont have the money to pay for a job you are stuck as a CFI. If those guys werent paying for their jobs maybe you would have a PAYING job at an airline/135 outfit.

 

[lionflyer]

Paying for right seat time in a 1900 is bad enough, but who in their right mind would pay to sit right seat in a 402. It's a single pilot airplane. Good luck explaining that SIC time at an interview.

Anyway, Happy Turkey Day Y'all.

 

[bozz66]

I sent a resume off to these guys about 5 months ago, before I knew about PFT. Six weeks ago I got a letter from them that said welcome aboard and had starting class dates. I was pretty excited about getting multi-time and flying around the Carribean. I was just about to call my fiance and tell her to pack her swim suit when I noticed something about $39/hour. At first I thought this was my pay rate but looking a little closer it said" That's right, for as little as $39/hr you can become a first officer and build multi-time in an airline type of environment..." Geeez, what a let down! For a split second I thought, hey, why not. Give it a shot. Then I joined this message board and wised up. Thanks for the education on PFT.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Checks

You have a very valid point there, but as I see it learning to fly is very expensive and if you jacked up the rates so CFIs could make a descent wage, you probably wouldnt have that many people interested in learning to fly simply b/c of the cost.

The guy that PFTs is usually skipping the CFI step all together. If he didnt PFT that would be just one more CFI to compete with for that same instructor job. More eligible CFIs on the market usually equal less pay and the employers can now really treat you like crap because the same guy that was going to PFT is waiting in line for your CFI job.