Beech 1900 article

[jetflyer]

Jammed Elevator

Do you guys that are speculating C.G. and weight remember that the plane had MAINTENANCE on the Trim tab 3 days before the crash!!!??????? HMMMMMMM and that the flight data recorder said that the elevator had been moving eratically for the previous seven flights out of maintenance.

The FAA will find that the elevator jammed, cable slipped a pulley, etc. Most likely though the truth will never be known.

An aft c.g. or being overweight might just be pure coincidence.

 

[jetdriven]

the elevator donwspring wasnt connected and the cable was off the pulley. explain how weight and balance caused that.

Did you know these airplanes have 35,000 hours some of them? Mesa has had 22 years without a crash and AMW has had 37 years without a fatality?

it was not weight and balance. it was only incidnetal.

 

[jetflyer]

Jetdriven,

I agree with you that it was something like the elevator downspring not being connected.

But do you know for sure this is what it was, or are you speculating?

Jet

p.s.
There's no way possible an aft c.g. can't be overcome by pushing forward on an "OPERABLE"<-----KEY WORD controle yoke. At most the plane would be longitudinally unstable and look like a dolphin jumping in and out of water. This plane didn't look like that at all, it went straight up.

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

Now they want to weigh the bags...

As per CNN

Read all about it

 

[Beechball]

Jet Flyer,

Look at the accident that occured about 7 years ago in Miami when the cargo of a Fine Air DC-8 shifted on takeoff. The DC-8 went nose up to an extreme deck angle and did a tail slide onto Main St. How come they didn't recover based on your assumption?

For those that fly the 1900, you will probably agree with me that with a full load of people and bags, the aircraft is already tail heavy requiring almost neutral "0" elevator trim to keep it from jumping off the runway. Couple this with large people sitting Row 7 and aft and heavy bags....anything's possible.

Just remember when you guys are speculating....WE WEREN'T THERE!!! The only two things that survived to tell a story are the CVR and the FDR...neither of which we are privy to...so until the actual transcript and data are made public....IT'S ALL SPECULATION!!

 

[jetdriven]

lets just say I know somebody on the inside, We have employees investigating the accident. . the downspring was not connected (there are two of them though) and one of the elevator cables was off the pulley, the tension was not set right. the elevator was also fluttering for several flights before that.

Fine Air crash in MIA was deemed recoverable but the FO was flying and he overrotated and was not aggressive enough to recover it. he stalled the aircraft and never attempted to lower the nose enough. It was recoverable though, with aggressive nose down (full probably) pitch inputs and trim movement.


Also the DC-8 was SO FAR outside the aft limit if it was a 1900 it would have tailstanded on the ramp.

 

[Beechball]

Emergency AD just came out to be complied with by Friday.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgad.nsf/WebNewEmergencyAD/0A986036339DB5BD86256CBB006ADBD6?OpenDocument

 

[Typhoon1244]

Extending the CG range is part of what all those extra fins hanging out on the tail are about.

I always thought it was some kind of ice-collection study.

Tell me, do those things cause a lot of trouble in icing conditions? Or are they heated somehow? (Not relevant to this accident...I'm just curious.)

 

[jetdriven]

the 1900D wins the "most aerodynamic flow control devices" award hands down. Actually, I think it looks kinda cool.

The Stabilons (look like extra horizontal stabilizers at the base of the vertical tail) are there to provide additional aft CG envelope. They allow the aft CG to go to 40% MAC. they are also booted.


the strakes are downward off the fusealge at 1 50 degree angle these are supposed to prevent fishtailig and add lateral stability at high angles of attack.

the tailets hang down from near the ends of the horizontal stab they add addtitional vertical tail area. they are also booted. the KA-200 tail was certified on the aircraft in its stock configuration and these add-ons allow beech to use a certified tail and modify it rather than "scratch build" a whole new one.

winglets add effective span and add climb performance at higher altitudes remember this plane weight 17,12o a lot more than a 1900C I dont think those are over 15,500.

plus the winglets just plain look cool and give the plane "ramp appeal"

YEAH!

 

[jetdriven]

1 more thing all 45 of our planes were inspected as of the sunday after the crash.