Bedford (RAH) vs Ornstein

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Compare and contrast if you will. I have heard Bedford is just another Ornstein. I don't quite think FAPA realized that, amongst many other things...
 

Indapool

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Well this should be entertaining
 

En Mort Main

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Do you all look at ways to be the biggest ******************************'. Or does it come naturally.
Just because you dislike someone, why the need to vilify them. Seems to lack any critical thinking to call everyone you don't like "hitler" or "stalin." Or in the aviation world lorenz or ornstein?
Get a f'ing life. Always screaming that you want to be treated like professionals and it always boils down to petty finger pointing and name calling, childish bull shi t.
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Do you all look at ways to be the biggest ******************************'. Or does it come naturally.
Just because you dislike someone, why the need to vilify them. Seems to lack any critical thinking to call everyone you don't like "hitler" or "stalin." Or in the aviation world lorenz or ornstein?
Get a f'ing life. Always screaming that you want to be treated like professionals and it always boils down to petty finger pointing and name calling, childish bull shi t.
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Truth hurt doesn't it?
 

Indapool

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Yep

Exactly 16 minutes
Bravo!

I'm gonna need more beer....
 

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Every current airline CEO is a Lorenzo. What separates the individual companies is the strength of the union, and their ability to keep the company in check. RAH never had plywood boards. The slower turnover of pilots is helping to strengthen the Teamsters at RAH. The eventual addition of 1000 mainline pilots who have fought hard for decades to achieve their contracts will strengthen the Teamsters further. RAH hired many prior-121 pilots in the earlier days of the 170 program, so we are not all just former flight instructors with eyes only for a quick upgrade. Mesa hired a lot of really green pilots simply because lack of INDUSTRY experience made the overall pilot group weaker. That let JO walk all over Mesa pilots for years. Things are not that way at RAH, so I don't think Bedford will ever achieve the status of a memorable destroyer of the aviation industry. Yes, he bought a few airlines, but you haven't seen what he will do with them. He could turn Frontier into the next Southwest, taking a selective regional airline and making it one of the top players in the industry. Or, he maly fall on his face trying, but he is not trying to destroy F9. Staying as a fee-per departure regional is no longer a viable long term strategy. I don't think Bedford wants to kill off frontier. Midwest may fade into memory over the next few years, but that path was decided by the former Midwest management years ago.
 

En Mort Main

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Truth hurt doesn't it?
Truth that "professional" pilots are no better than third graders argueing over who is tougher and who has a bigger brother.
I don't understand the premise of your response.
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Every current airline CEO is a Lorenzo. What separates the individual companies is the strength of the union, and their ability to keep the company in check. RAH never had plywood boards. The slower turnover of pilots is helping to strengthen the Teamsters at RAH. The eventual addition of 1000 mainline pilots who have fought hard for decades to achieve their contracts will strengthen the Teamsters further. RAH hired many prior-121 pilots in the earlier days of the 170 program, so we are not all just former flight instructors with eyes only for a quick upgrade. Mesa hired a lot of really green pilots simply because lack of INDUSTRY experience made the overall pilot group weaker. That let JO walk all over Mesa pilots for years. Things are not that way at RAH, so I don't think Bedford will ever achieve the status of a memorable destroyer of the aviation industry. Yes, he bought a few airlines, but you haven't seen what he will do with them. He could turn Frontier into the next Southwest, taking a selective regional airline and making it one of the top players in the industry. Or, he maly fall on his face trying, but he is not trying to destroy F9. Staying as a fee-per departure regional is no longer a viable long term strategy. I don't think Bedford wants to kill off frontier. Midwest may fade into memory over the next few years, but that path was decided by the former Midwest management years ago.
very well put together...
 

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This is like comparing Darth Vader to Emperor Ming. Ether way your going to end up face down/ass up with a blaster burn in the side of your head.
 

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Their both Sith Lords. Does it really matter?
 

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Finding someone who is as completely worthless as Ornstein would be nearly impossible. UAL may have the corner on the next most useless CEO.

As was previously said, the real issues at Mesa could have been avoided if the pilot group had grown some balls. I will never cease to be amazed by people who will stab each other in the back solely for the chance to do a job that pays less every year.(when adjusted for inflation)
 
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